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Post by Stranger2 on Mar 6, 2020 16:00:59 GMT
The message below was written to be posted on Wes Penre forum. However, Wes recently closed his forum for posting by guests, so I have no way of posting it there and decided to post it on alternative internet resources.
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In response to the Wes Penre teachings, let me offer an alternative view on the soul recycling system of the Patrix construct based on simple logic and common sense. Everything written here is only a possibility and I am not claiming that it is 100% truth. If convincing arguments will be provided that the view presented below is not true, I will be happy to admit that first. However, the topic is important because it is related to our freedom from the soul recycling and abuse system, therefore I encourage people to think about it seriously and not dismiss it without consideration.
There is little doubt that we got involved in a soul recycling system. This system is based on a specific technology and we need to understand how this technology works and what the owners of it want us to do or to believe in order to keep us enslaved in the system. The Overlords do not waste their time to seducing each of us individually, whether before or after our death. What they need is simply our souls as a large-volume source of energy because we are their power station. Their only concern is the output power numbers and the efficiency of the soul capturing system. Therefore, they simply set up a recycling technology to detect, measure the frequency, attract and catch the souls that get released form the dead bodies. They do not manage and control us individually, they do not care about each of us as an individual at all, and individual management would be very inefficient system for them anyway. They simply develop and control the technology. It is easy for them to adjust the technology to produce any images and emotional vibrations to resonate with our wishes and intentions. So far, the vast majority of souls had an attraction to feelings of love and peace and attachments to their deceased relatives, so they set up the “Light tunnel with relatives” capturing technology. The tunnel technology worked very well with high soul capturing rate efficiency for thousands of years.
Please understand that there are actually not so many souls getting recycled as it may seem, because the majority of human population is soulless, so in order to keep the power station energy supply high and prevent any power decline, they do not want any souls to escape, and therefore the efficiency of the soul capturing system must be maintained very high. If we assume for example that only 5% of souls escape the capturing system, this means that only after 10 generations (~700-800 years) they will lose roughly 50% of souls and 50% of power, and another 50% after another 700-800 yeras. That would be a complete disaster for their energy supply system threatening the very existence of their civilization.
However, souled humans are usually spiritually open and interested in spiritual matters. Over the recent decades more and more souled humans have been researching and becoming aware of the Light tunnel trap and therefore started escaping the construct after death in increasing numbers. And the reason for the higher escape rate is that there is actually no net around the Earth preventing souls to escape the construct. If we just do not enter the tunnel, then we are free to go anywhere. The reason to assume that is a large number of NDE accounts reported travels to different star races and universes, experiences of Oneness, of the Divine, of the Void, without even going through the tunnel or the net. Very few of the NDE accounts actually reported seeing the net and almost none of them reported that the net is actually preventing souls to escape (which means that there could be a net, but its function is not to prevent souls from escaping the construct). The profoundness of their experiences, especially of the experiences of communicating with the Divine, of the Void, and of the insights into the nature of reality, proves that these experiences are genuine and not produced by any artificial vibrations of the Overlords technology.
So, recently, the Overlords power station control systems detected the decrease in the soul capturing efficiency, which obviously raised a big concern in their hierarchy, and they found the root cause – people becoming aware of the tunnel and refusing to go in. This awareness has been spreading around the world without necessarily a connection to WPP, there is plenty of internet resources disclosing the Light tunnel trap, with the majority of them not even suggesting the way to escape through the net. The Overlords, however, found an easy solution to this. They simply adjusted the frequency detector to sense the vibrations of the released souls and to detect those who have the intention to resist the feelings of love and peace of the tunnel. However, the problem that the Overlords faced was how to capture those souls after the sensor detects them. The solution they found was as follows: for those with the intention to resist the Light tunnel, they set up a different scene: the capture mechanism that would look like “the net with holes”, with the holes being portals that would simply tunnel the souls back into the recycling machine again. However, for that to work, they also need to manipulate and convince those humans, who have the knowledge and intention to avoid the Light tunnel, to go into the holes in the net instead of the tunnel of Light. They did this kind of manipulation many times before when they created the majority of world’s religions, and it always worked for them, so they decided to simply use this strategy again. And their plan for that was very simple: to establish a belief system that would convince people to go to the net holes trap. They did that by contacting Wes Penre through one of their human-like AI agents. This agent is the one who Wes calls “the Source”. The “Source” presented himself to Wes as a helper from the Orion Empire and provided an overwhelming amount of very convincing and trustworthy information with a lot of details about Overlords history and technology, about the Orion Empire and human history and religions and so on. The only caveat was that he also suggested that the only sure way to escape the construct is to go through the holes in the net, which, as we can guess by now, is the very mechanism to actually capture the souls for recycling. The trustworthiness of the whole WPP teaching is only based on Wes trusting the “Source” and WPP followers trusting Wes, there is virtually no scientific or factual proof regarding the net as the only safe way to escape the construct. Of course, there is little reason to doubt the fact that we are actually trapped in a soul recycling system, and they know that they are addressing the souls who already know that, so it would be a wrong move for them to deny that. So, the large amount of seemingly trustworthy and convincing information provided by the “Source” was presented for the purpose of winning trust from Wes and from us so that we could more easily buy into the “escape through the net” argument. The Overlord’s strategy is very simple here: present a lot of convincing (and likely true) information together with a little false message that they need us to believe in, so that we could not decipher between those two.
According to the “Source”, the net is made of an “electromagnetic field” created by humans themselves. If he is talking about the same electromagnetic field as we have on the material plane, then physicists would detect such field long time ago. But suppose that he is talking about some different kind of “electromagnetic” field existing on the astral level. But how and why exactly humans themselves would unconsciously create such field preventing them from leaving the construct remains a mystery and makes little sense. However, the particular explanations actually do not matter, the “Source” can always adjust the story with more scientology-like arguments for the origin of the net. His purpose is to get us convinced and not having any doubts that the net is surely the right way to escape the construct. He obviously insists that the net is the only possible way, or at least the only safe way, denying even a possibility of any other safe ways of escape.
But let us still assume a different scenario that, as Wes claims, the original net actually still exists with the holes in it that had gradually opened over the recent centuries. That does not necessarily mean that the net is the only safe way to escape the construct. Alternative ways of escaping have been discussed on this forum and on other internet resources. But this fact of the existence of the net would not change the Overlords strategy and their technology of constructing the fake net trap. They would still use the same technology to detect released souls intending to resist the Light tunnel, and to present them with a fake image of the net before they would even be able to see the original net (if it exists). The “Source” would still uncover the existence of the net as a way to escape, but in this case the ”Source” would still strongly insist that the net (the fake one!) is the only safe way to escape and that we should rush into the net trap with our whole ferocity of intent leaving behind any doubts and fears and not even considering any alternative ways to escape for a second, or considering a possibility to look for the original net. Any doubts or suspicions that the Overlords would even consider setting up a fake net would be debunked by the “Source” immediately. So, for them the “false net trap” would work either way regardless whether the original net exists or not.
Setting up the “net trap” technology would be so easy for them, because they already have the vibration sensing, virtual reality imaging, emotional frequency creation, and soul recycling mechanism in place. The only thing it needs in this case is slight and easy adjustment in the program. It’s a small amount of technological work for them with a result of a good soul capturing efficiency improvement. The only uncertainty of their technology adjustment project is convincing us to go to the net trap. But if humans are so easy to believe that the net is the only safe way of escaping, it would be stupid for them not to use such belief for the benefit of their soul recycling system.
In the future, even if they find that this “net trap” project failed to prevent souls from escaping, they will try to figure out some other kind of trap to keep their power station going. The main point is: if you are presented with an argument that you have to escape the construct only in “this particular way”, especially if it involves going into some sort of an “opening”, “tunnel” or “portal”, together with the argument that this way is the only safe way to escape with little or no chance to escape in any other ways, you should be very careful to buy into such kind of an argument. That just sounds too much like a mind manipulation argument of the Overlords soul capturing technology.
I honestly do not want to believe that Wes is cooperating with Overlords and participating in this scheme willingly with a full awareness of the deceit. He is likely simply an honest believer, as many were before him who listened to religious “messengers” at the times when most of the world’s religions were established by the Overlords. Yet, it does not change the fact that we are getting manipulated again.
The bottom-line is:
- WPP turns out to be one of the religions created by AIF for the purpose of manipulating our minds to prepare us to re-enter their soul recycling system. Their typical strategy is mixing 90% of truth with 10% of lies that they want us to believe in so that we could not decipher between these two.
- When we die, we are already in the Khaa immediately. If we do not enter the tunnel of Light or a hole in the net or any other portal, we are free to go wherever we want just by setting our intention. Any portal that we may see after death that attracts us by trying to resonate with one of our vibrations, hopes, desires or fears, is very likely a trap set up by AIF. Once we enter one of those trap portals, our memories will be erased, soul structures stripped, and our core soul will be recycled for reincarnation, regardless of our free will to escape the construct. AIF do not respect the Free Will, it is not the law that entities in the Universe cannot break, it is only a “guideline of goodness” for souls with good will. AIF already broke all of those guidelines anyway.
- When we are in Khaa, we should be very careful. The Patrix is not the only trap in the big Universe, there is plenty of similar traps, constructs, dictatorships and soul concentration camps. Avoid entering any portals, tunnels or holes if you do not know for sure where they are leading, especially if someone is trying to convince you that this is the only way you have to go.
- Ultimately, the places we end up are all dependent on our energy vibration levels, our desires, fears, attachments, knowledge and understanding. We live in places that resonate best with our souls and states of our consciousness (unless we get trapped in one of the dictatorship constructs where our ability to grow gets severely limited). If we want to be in a good place in the Universe, we should work on ourselves first.
- This Khaa Universe is a role-game dimension of dualistic state of consciousness. Here we can play a large variety of roles with a full freedom to choose any role and do whatever we want. For this reason, it also full of suffering and dangers, because many souls chose to play evil roles and harm other souls. This is the place where egoic soul structures grow and conglomerate into dictatorships and abuse-and-control societies, this the dimension is where wars, manipulation, abuse and exploitation inevitably happen. Of, course, there are also more peaceful races and planets where we can leave, but none of them is immune to egoic corruption from inside or invasions and wars by from outside.
- We have a free choice to participate or not to participate in the duality role dame. There is an alternative state of consciousness and realm of existence that is called Oneness. In Oneness there is no sense of separate self, therefore, there is no ground for the growth of ego, no lies or manipulation, no suffering. The is a state of formless Void in the Oneness, however, the formless state is not the only possibility in Oneness. Oneness does not mean a lack of life, there is plenty of creative activities we can have without leaving the state of non-dualistic perception. The entities from the world of duality cannot see, enter or harm the dimension of Oneness because they do not have structures in their consciousness to perceive of function in the Oneness domain. We can prepare ourselves for this oneness state of consciousness even in this material life and go to one of the Oneness realms immediately after death. Of course, it is a matter of free choice, we are not obliged to go there and we can stay in the realm of duality, but at least it is good to be always aware that this choice exists.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 0:49:23 GMT
Hello forum people Well I really screwed that reply post up to stranger2. Pardon the bad spelling etc. Ill try to make it more readable here.
Was interesting to see how quick the public section of wes's forum had its Guest posting section closed and the solutions thread moved to members only sraanger2. I guess your oneness posts and replies by some others hastened the situation. Wes talks about freedom of expression however the closure of the freedom to reply and post on the public section of his forum is very telling in my opinion. I have followed wes for many years and noticed the changes happening over the recent couple of years. Think you are right about 90% good facts and 10% misleading facts stated above.Appreciate your analysis above and was having some issues with the research being done since his partner came on the scene. From a younger age I always knew we were all living in a very controled system and was unable to fathom just what it was however over the years did learn just what it was and had decide to never come back to this reality again. Wes's concept was very appealing. I do believe Wes has no ill intent and is a total believer in his research but the question must be asked just who is influencing him into change ?? The member section is actually now a captivated pod of souls who will follow wes no matter what while the more hesitant guests and lurkers have been shut out so the members wont be contaminated with possible feasible information to exit this prison. Smacks of scientology cloistering methods and forbiding "squireling". The public section will graduly die off because the input there will only be from desicated members and NO new blood input from others who have different experiences knowledge and opinions. Naaa very disspointed with the way wes has chosen. Nuf said about that stranger2 like you went looking elsewhere which is bit more freer. Your narative makes sense however it too could ne construed to be a trap to steer others away from the posible true exit method that wes has advised. Personally my original way of handling the exit was to just ignore tunnels, lights, beings and go my own way. Have always been very adventerous and the unknown I find challenging and fascenating.LOL Hope you keep posting your thoughts here
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Post by Stranger2 on Mar 7, 2020 1:49:46 GMT
Thanks for your comments, Jensen. Yes, it looks like WPP is gradually turning into a quasi-scientology sect isolating itself from the rest of the world. Well, this is how dictatorships form, and that is what people choose, so in a way, they deserve it. We can't help them if this is what they willingly choose and support. But our duty is still to warn people.
This topic is not personal for me and not about Wes or anyone else personalities, it's just that I have compassion for people who just started to be aware of the soul recycling system, so they could escape it, but because of the belief in the false escape path through the "holes in the net" they will be trapped and recycled again.
>>Your narative makes sense however it too could ne construed to be a trap to steer others away from the posible true exit method that wes has advised. >>
But yes, you are right, I can be still wrong and Wes can be still right about the net. How do we know? Roll a dice? Use common sense? Get evidences or facts or study accounts from NDEs? My friend is an NDE account researcher, he studied thousands of them, he said that none of them reported experiencing the net as preventing the souls to escape. A very few accounts reported seeing the net but most of them saw it already from outside, so there was nothing to prevent them from going through it as if the net was not a barrier at all. They did not report specifically penetrating through the holes.
But as I said, EVEN if the net actually exists, there is a big chance that AIF will still construct the false net trap. If they are aware of how people are intending to escape through the net, it would be stupid for them not to use our plan for their own benefit and not to set up a false net trap system. So now, how do we differentiate between the false net and real net (even if it really exists)? So, either way, escaping through the net is not safe. Jonathan Dilas was describing the "dissociation" path for escape, and that is similar to the Buddhist way too, so in my opinion it is a safer way. But it requires consistent practice, as opposed to the "lazy" way of escaping through the net.
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Post by Stranger2 on Mar 7, 2020 2:29:23 GMT
To add to the dissociation way, it is actually the way of going into the Void. Wayne Bush recently published an article on that with a lot of useful info: www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/The-Fine-Game-of-Nil-the-Full-Void-and-the-So-called-Void.htmlIf we get into the Void, we are already out of any manifested worlds including any constructs, no creatures can get us there. It's essentially the same as dissociation. From there we can actually go or land wherever we want in any manifested worlds, as long as we prepared ourselves for living in these realms, know where to go and set our intention to go there. From the Void we can also chose to go to the realms of oneness, but only as long as we have the knowledge of them (in other words, how to form and establish the consciousness in those realms). Many NDErs report getting into the Void but either get scared there of just quickly dismiss it and move on to the visible objects and lights without realizing that the Void is their way to freedom.
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Post by mironlang on Mar 7, 2020 3:37:13 GMT
welcome Jensen )))))
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 4:05:04 GMT
A woman at work I'll refer to as "J" had an unexpected heart attack while on the job. She was told at one point she was clinically dead. Luckily for her a retired military medic was on the job as well and performed near 20 minutes of CPR reviving her and keeping her alive till the ambulance arrived. I asked her when she was healed and back to work if she had any near death or death experiences when this happened. "J" answered No. Nothing, no awareness of anything. No light no relatives waiting.
My favorite quote from Endall Beall is "why do you believe what you believe?" Because someone tells stories about this so called afterlife doesn't make them true. One should never take anything as truth without complete investigation and in our world of studies even then we end up with possibilities and not concrete proof. For me at this point flying through a grid after death like a super hero is fantasy at best.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 8:53:57 GMT
Thankyou mironlang. Nice to see some of the old posters from the old WP forum here. They had many diverse opinions back then.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 9:39:36 GMT
One other expression of Endall Beal that I like: “"You did not incarnate as a human being on this planet to escape. You came here to do a very hard job."
People try to escape and exit this world to find something better. They expect to find magic, paradise, something divine that is better than their own nature. So many people are focusing on the escape process at death (whether it be holes in the grid or escaping to the void or whatever), they truly believe in the magical parlor tricks of finding the holes and escaping the grid, just to arrive in the same world of illusion. Meanwhile they are not living their life ...
There is nothing to escape from, we only need to let go of all the garbage, beliefs and limited perceptions that we have carried with us all the time. How can a grid hold us back? Only when you attach belief to it. Why are people chasing all those illusions? Why don’t they start living in the now, enjoy this life and especially do their utmost to expand their cognitive awareness, so that they can start peeling off the different layers (lies) and start seeing the greater reality that surrounds us.
What we need to do is try and find that real consciousness in us. That consiousness will guide you throughout this life, it will not guide you to some Nirvana after death. People are avoiding their responsibility and true power in order to find some reward in a life after death. Our true nature goes much further then to believe in some magical hereafter.
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Post by mironlang on Mar 7, 2020 10:51:32 GMT
One other expression of Endall Beal that I like: “"You did not incarnate as a human being on this planet to escape. You came here to do a very hard job." Agree 100%
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 10:51:40 GMT
One other expression of Endall Beal that I like: “"You did not incarnate as a human being on this planet to escape. You came here to do a very hard job." People try to escape and exit this world to find something better. They expect to find magic, paradise, something divine that is better than their own nature. So many people are focusing on the escape process at death (whether it be holes in the grid or escaping to the void or whatever), they truly believe in the magical parlor tricks of finding the holes and escaping the grid, just to arrive in the same world of illusion. Meanwhile they are not living their life ... There is nothing to escape from, we only need to let go of all the garbage, beliefs and limited perceptions that we have carried with us all the time. How can a grid hold us back? Only when you attach belief to it. Why are people chasing all those illusions? Why don’t they start living in the now, enjoy this life and especially do their utmost to expand their cognitive awareness, so that they can start peeling off the different layers (lies) and start seeing the greater reality that surrounds us. What we need to do is try and find that real consciousness in us. That consiousness will guide you throughout this life, it will not guide you to some Nirvana after death. People are avoiding their responsibility and true power in order to find some reward in a life after death. Our true nature goes much further then to believe in some magical hereafter. We all, well most of us have our own perspective re why we are here on 3d planet earth. I for one never agreed to be here under the terms and condition imposed on us. I was manipulated into this reality/simulation to do hard labour for the pleasure of some one else. Silly me for being so trusting and nieve giving my agreement to the lies. Certainally wont happen again Blossom. Some of us definitely have learned lessons on just what this place is all about. I must agree with re your comment on the "magical here after" as my deep intuition and partly obscured knowing has been a great source of peace to me concerning my next step up in awareness and it wont be in this planets 3d reality. To me the trap and how to exit it is within and possibly the most important thing to handle is to relinquish all the attachments that we all have been emotionally "trained" to rely on through duality. Its hard living in two realities/worlds Blossom however I'm getting good at it.
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Post by Stranger2 on Mar 7, 2020 14:16:38 GMT
One other expression of Endall Beal that I like: “"You did not incarnate as a human being on this planet to escape. You came here to do a very hard job." People try to escape and exit this world to find something better. They expect to find magic, paradise, something divine that is better than their own nature. So many people are focusing on the escape process at death (whether it be holes in the grid or escaping to the void or whatever), they truly believe in the magical parlor tricks of finding the holes and escaping the grid, just to arrive in the same world of illusion. Meanwhile they are not living their life ... There is nothing to escape from, we only need to let go of all the garbage, beliefs and limited perceptions that we have carried with us all the time. How can a grid hold us back? Only when you attach belief to it. Why are people chasing all those illusions? Why don’t they start living in the now, enjoy this life and especially do their utmost to expand their cognitive awareness, so that they can start peeling off the different layers (lies) and start seeing the greater reality that surrounds us. What we need to do is try and find that real consciousness in us. That consiousness will guide you throughout this life, it will not guide you to some Nirvana after death. People are avoiding their responsibility and true power in order to find some reward in a life after death. Our true nature goes much further then to believe in some magical hereafter. Oh, I 100% agree with you! Dispelling the illusion and living in the direct reality of consciousness is what I called "Oneness" in my root message. In this state of direct perception you can actually still live in this world of dualities (you are just not getting fooled by them) or, after death, you can move to different realms where there is no duality role games at all and where you can do more meaningful activities. I actually wrote quite a few posts on the WPP forum trying to explain people these two different modes of living, the result was close to nothing. Not that they would not understand, it's just they do not want it, they still choose to live in the illusion. That's fine, our job is to make people aware, and then they have their own choice. But most people don't even know that the choice exist. Regarding the "Nirvana" after death, it's just that for those who realized consciousness, living in this virtual reality role game does not make much sense anymore. You can still stay if you want, no problem with that, but why, if you know how to live in a more fulfilling and authentic way? For you this fake role game would totally lose its fake magic of "looking like real", and you would loose any interest in this love-hate role games.
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Post by Stranger2 on Mar 7, 2020 14:37:23 GMT
A woman at work I'll refer to as "J" had an unexpected heart attack while on the job. She was told at one point she was clinically dead. Luckily for her a retired military medic was on the job as well and performed near 20 minutes of CPR reviving her and keeping her alive till the ambulance arrived. I asked her when she was healed and back to work if she had any near death or death experiences when this happened. "J" answered No. Nothing, no awareness of anything. No light no relatives waiting. My favorite quote from Endall Beall is "why do you believe what you believe?" Because someone tells stories about this so called afterlife doesn't make them true. One should never take anything as truth without complete investigation and in our world of studies even then we end up with possibilities and not concrete proof. For me at this point flying through a grid after death like a super hero is fantasy at best. Well, yes, many people do dot experience any NDE during clinical death. Still many people do. How about scientific data? Check out these articles: www.resuscitationjournal.com/article/S0300-9572(01)00469-5/abstractwww.resuscitationjournal.com/article/S0300-9572%2806%2900669-1/abstractacademic.oup.com/qjmed/article/110/2/67/2681812But this one is the most significant: www.neardeathexperience.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Journal_Resuscitation_AWARE.pdfFrom it's abstract: In this last "one" case they are referring to a patient who could verifiably reproduce the events in the ER while his ECG was zero-line, in other words no brain activity was even possible. This is basically a scientific proof of the reality of NDE. But I understand that it may be hard to swallow for those who religiously believe in materialism.
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Post by Stranger2 on Mar 7, 2020 14:41:08 GMT
There was also a similar scientifically verified event when a woman who went through a major brain surgery was able to describe the events in the operation room during a period while her ECG was zero-line. It was reported in the BCC documentary on NDE.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 15:45:06 GMT
Oh, I 100% agree with you! Dispelling the illusion and living in the direct reality of consciousness is what I called "Oneness" in my root message. In this state of direct perception you can actually still live in this world of dualities (you are just not getting fooled by them) or, after death, you can move to different realms where there is no duality role games at all and where you can do more meaningful activities. I actually wrote quite a few posts on the WPP forum trying to explain people these two different modes of living, the result was close to nothing. Not that they would not understand, it's just they do not want it, they still choose to live in the illusion. That's fine, our job is to make people aware, and then they have their own choice. But most people don't even know that the choice exist. Regarding the "Nirvana" after death, it's just that for those who realized consciousness, living in this virtual reality role game does not make much sense anymore. You can still stay if you want, no problem with that, but why, if you know how to live in a more fulfilling and authentic way? For you this fake role game would totally lose its fake magic of "looking like real", and you would loose any interest in this love-hate role games. I don't like the word "Oneness". The modern New Age movement is infused with mystical traditions, with millions of people worldwide hooked on the lure of magical powers and finding communion with the alleged cosmic Oneness signified by Light and Love. This is certainly not what I am talking about. People are lured to this 'Oneness' concept and believe that they can become 'one' with some divine aspect that they are part of. I see myself as an individuated consciousness that is part of a cosmic network of other individuated consciousnesses. As for the "Nirvana", this concept (as other concepts) has been woven into the real Buddha teachings. Maybe you could read what Endall Beall has written about the real Buddha in his book "“False prophecies – Reassessing Buddha and the call to the Second Cognition”
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Post by Stranger2 on Mar 7, 2020 16:29:16 GMT
I agree that the term "Oneness" is a misnomer and it does have too much resemblance with the New Age mumbo-jumbo. I was not involved in New Age so for me it does not carry that baggage. Whatever you want to call it, does not matter. That's exactly what I'm talking about, we are on the same page Thanks for the link, never heard of this guy, just got this book and reading it now.
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Post by Stranger2 on Mar 7, 2020 18:53:47 GMT
Maybe you could read what Endall Beall has written about the real Buddha in his book "“False prophecies – Reassessing Buddha and the call to the Second Cognition” Good book, just finished it and agree with most of what he wrote (except for some minor things). "Second condition" seems to be a good term. I’ve been practicing the original Buddhism for quite a few years, what he describes is pretty accurate. As Adyashanti said: "Enlightenment is simply not seeing the world through the lens of ego". What I find missing in these books on advancing consciousness is what happens next when the body dies. That actually was a big part of the original Buddha’s teaching (which was pretty accurately recorded in the Pali Canon). Buddha emphasized that enlightened beings do not incarnate in the realms of duality, egoic state of consciousness and desires (that he called “Kamaloka” – the realm of desires). Endall Beall writes in this book that our life on Earth is "mental prison erected for our consciousness by gods". So, once you have the prison dispelled, achieved second cognition, and get out of the body after death, why would you incarnate here again and have all your memories and knowledge about second cognition lost? It makes no sense. I don't think anyone who achieved the second cognition would ever do that. So, the issue of escaping the soul recycling system still remains. From what we know from NDE and past life studies, there indeed seems to be a “mental prison erected by gods” and a certain soul capturing and recycling system in place where we all humans got caught, whatever you call it (Enki or Patrix or whatever, the details do not matter). For those who achieved the second conditions, escaping becomes much easier, for those who did not, it’s a more serious issue. But for both, incarnating into this prison again would not be a favorable condition and should be avoided if possible. This is because of the memory loss and genetically-hardwired egoic mental structures of human brain that makes achieving the second cognition extremely difficult in human conditions. I think you are underestimating the issue. For example, you know that your human body and its pains is an illusion. Does this understanding make them go away? No, it does not. Yes, you do not suffer so much from it anymore because you know it is not real, but it does not make it go away. Even if the body is not real, the "physical" pain is still real because it's a real sensation experienced in your consciousness. You can not penetrate material walls with your human body, no matter how illusory they are or how advanced your consciousness is, it's just the way this Martix is programmed. We are in a stupid and cheap virtual reality game, but we did not desigh the rules and we cannot break them, no matter what cognition level we are on. So, it's not enough to know that it's fake, we are still forced to play according to the limiting rules. To get completely free from these rules, we need to get up and walk away from it. Which means that, once the body dies, do not come back to another episode. So, going back to the grid: if it exists and if you are leaving still with consciousness established on this level of existence where the grid exists, no matter how illusory it is, it is still an issue. So there are to ways of escaping: we either get out from this egoic and dualistic level of reality ("Khaa" or whatever you call it) completely, or if we stay on this level, then we have to play according to the rules (which means, escaping the soul capturing system would still be a real issue do deal with).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 20:50:18 GMT
Good book, just finished it and agree with most of what he wrote (except for some minor things). "Second condition" seems to be a good term. I’ve been practicing the original Buddhism for quite a few years, what he describes is pretty accurate. As Adyashnti said: "Enlightenment is simply not seeing the world through the lens of ego". "We are in a stupid and cheap virtual reality game, " So if this is the case then what proof do you have any part of us exists outside the game? You and I too are then created characters in a stupid and cheap virtual reality game. How could we be more? I get what you are saying (and welcome to the forum Stranger2) but to me that whole concept just cheapens our outlook on existence itself. I have come to believe we are manifestations of conscious/collective conscious created for the purpose of exploration of the 3D created universe. Yes created by something so far beyond us we cannot not comprehend. In a sense yes this is an experimental game but rather real at the same time. We are amazing in that we are part of and very important to that incomprehensible consciousness. You were meant to be here. There is a malevolent something that does not like this creation and this something will do anything to sabotage it. Our job is to see that sabotage fails. If we believe we were forced here against our will and need to escape then the malevolent creeps win.
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Post by Stranger2 on Mar 7, 2020 21:31:22 GMT
This is the game of egoic state of consciousness. That is why it is full of lies,suffering, wars, manipulation, illusions, confusion, abuse and so on. We can assume that it was likely created by single or collective consciousness which is also in the egoic state, because for any consciousness not in the egoic state such creation would simply make no sense. But it is actually not important who and how it was created and I have nothing against it anyway. I am not sabotaging it and have no plans to destroy it, there is nothing malevolent neither in accepting it not in rejecting it, it's simply a matter of personal choice. For everyone who still likes it and wants to continue to play in it - go for it by all means! But I claim my right to freedom to opt out from it. I have a ground to believe that this game is not the only one and there are other games in the entirety of universes that do not involve egoic states of consciousness. There is also an option for an individual consciousness to stay non-involved in any games at all, this is so called state of Void. I will give below some NDE accounts on the Void experiences. The bottom-line is we have 3 options to participate or not to participate in 2 types of games: no participation (Void), non-egoic games, egoic games. The choice is completely free, and forcing anyone to participate (or not) in any type of game would be a violation of free will.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 21:42:38 GMT
Maybe you could read what Endall Beall has written about the real Buddha in his book "“False prophecies – Reassessing Buddha and the call to the Second Cognition” Good book, just finished it and agree with most of what he wrote (except for some minor things). "Second condition" seems to be a good term. I’ve been practicing the original Buddhism for quite a few years, what he describes is pretty accurate. As Adyashnti said: "Enlightenment is simply not seeing the world through the lens of ego". What I find missing in these books on advancing consciousness is what happens next when the body dies. That actually was a big part of the original Buddha’s teaching (which was pretty accurately recorded in the Pali Canon). Buddha emphasized that enlightened beings do not incarnate in the realms of duality, egoic state of consciousness and desires (that he called “Kamaloka” – the realm of desires). Endall Beall writes in this book that our life on Earth is "mental prison erected for our consciousness by gods". So, once you have the prison dispelled, achieved second cognition, and get out of the body after death, why would you incarnate here again and have all your memories and knowledge about second cognition lost? It makes no sense. I don't think anyone who achieved the second cognition would ever do that. So, the issue of escaping the soul recycling system still remains. From what we know from NDE and past life studies, there indeed seems to be a “mental prison erected by gods” and a certain soul capturing and recycling system in place where we all humans got caught, whatever you call it (Enki or Patrix or whatever, the details do not matter). For those who achieved the second conditions, escaping becomes much easier, for those who did not, it’s a more serious issue. But for both, incarnating into this prison again would not be a favorable condition and should be avoided if possible. This is because of the memory loss and genetically-hardwired egoic mental structures of human brain that makes achieving the second cognition extremely difficult in human conditions. I think you are underestimating the issue. For example, you know that your human body and its pains is an illusion. Does this understanding make them go away? No, it does not. Yes, you do not suffer so much from it anymore because you know it is not real, but it does not make it go away. Even if the body is not real, the "physical" pain is still real because it's a real sensation experienced in your consciousness. You can not penetrate material walls with your human body, no matter how illusory they are or how advanced your consciousness is, it's just the way this Martix is programmed. We are in a stupid and cheap virtual reality game, but we did not desigh the rules and we cannot break them, no matter what cognition level we are on. So, it's not enough to know that it's fake, we are still forced to play according to the limiting rules. To get completely free from these rules, we need to get up and walk away from it. Which means that, once the body dies, do not come back to another episode. So, going back to the grid: if it exists and if you are leaving still with consciousness established on this level of existence where the grid exists, no matter how illusory it is, it is still an issue. So there are to ways of escaping: we either get out from this egoic and dualistic level of reality ("Khaa" or whatever you call it) completely, or if we stay on this level, then we have to play according to the rules (which means, escaping the soul capturing system would still be a real issue do deal with). Endall has clearly explained in his other books that when our body dies, our personality stops. It is our consciousness that goes on, not our personality or the soul as people think. Psoyca consciousness chooses where and when it incarnates, whether it be in a earthly human body or another form elsewhere. It chooses because it wants to experience and advance consciousness. Not to suffer or whatever you believe it to do. The real issue on this planet is not that this planet or this reality is an illusion, but that as a result of a mind (ego) virus we have been energetically manipulated by gods and their adepts during eons. Due to this energetic manipulation, humans have been brainwashed into belief systems. Those are the true illusions, not the human body. People have been led to believe generation after generation that they are lesser beings and that is how humans have become docile and relinquish their own authority and power. If you want to believe that there is some kind of soul capturing system that is after us, feel welcome . This is certainly not how I see it ...
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Post by Stranger2 on Mar 7, 2020 22:25:42 GMT
Absolutely agree. It is not that I religiously believe in it, but this is what NDE and past life regression studies seem to indicate: our consciousness not just freely choses when and where to incarnate, but those who got into the after-life area through the tunnel, stay there for some time, and then get strongly convinced/manipulated into reincarnating on Earth again. And, as we all know, we reincarnate on conditions of losing memory and getting an ego-infected human mind. What is the purpose of re-incarnating for tens if not hundreds of times with erased memory into the same conditions of human egoic state of mind is not clear to me and makes no sense. I do not want to do it again and claim my right to opt out. So, based on the above, I have strong reason to suspect that the same "gods" who manipulated us on Earth also capture our consciousness after death (by attracting into a tunnel portal) and manipulate us again in their manifested after-life area to re-incarnate on Earth again. What benefit they get from this is not fully clear but it does not matter. The thing is: we can ignore all these warning signs, fine. They may be true and may be not. What is going to happen is that, if we ignore then, we will likely be forced to reincarnate again into egoic conditions with memories lost. If you think it is fine, go for it. I don't, so I want to take a chance to avoid it as much as possible. But think about it: if you were able to achieve second cognition in this lifetime on Earth, good for you! But if you will be forced to re-incarnate again on Earth, your memory will be erased and your consciousness will be again implanted with ego-virus. You will have to start all over again. What is a chance that you will get to the second cognition level again (considering how rare it is)?
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Post by Stranger2 on Mar 7, 2020 22:27:11 GMT
NDE accounts of Void
These are not all accounts of the experience of Void, but only selected most significant ones. Important: all of them were experienced before or without entering light tunnel and non of them after.
"I would like to share a bit about my near death experience. The few that I have shared it with have either gotten angry at me or tried to reinterpret it for me...which is really about giving it a contextual framework that eases their comfort level. I am rather fine with it all. Briefly, I did not see light. I did not experience love. This was, initially, a profound shock to me because I have trusted for decades that the ONE was Light Whose singular quality was Love. I entered an unspeakable Vastness that was not light, nor was it darkness. It was not a something and there was nothing present in this nothingness that was empty of anything at all except boundary-less pristine awareness. Naked infinite awareness inseparable from the absolute living nothingness being experienced. No thought. No I. Just this no-thing-ness. After a time, I was aware of something communicating with me without words yet I perfectly understood. "Stay or go back. But if you stay any longer, you will not be able to go back." - from The Nonduality Highlights yahoo group
"I hit a place where i didnt experience the white light like alot of people describe, no angels, no devils It was a very interesting environment in that it didn't have an environment, it was no sense of light, no sense of sound It was an intuition of a choice It said, "Do you want to continue doing this? Do you want to stop?" ... But it was a choice, it was literally, if you wanted to give it a label, i'd say 'pure neutrality' It wasn't into the light, it wasn't into the darkness There was no form, there was no structure, there was no light, there was no sound I didn't hear anything It was bascially a sense that here's your choice: Have you had enough? Do you want to play any more? Do you want to stop?" -- Glenn Parker
NDES FROM NDERF.ORG
I then felt myself being pulled up out of my body and out of the hospital into this vast void that was both dark and light. It was silent and still, strange but peaceful... More consciousness and alertness than normal The moment I entered the void. -- Jen C
A strange sense of duality from time as physical beings perceive it. As if time had absolutely no real meaning in this form. So much was exchanged, and yet.....seemingly nothing at all. As if EVERYTHING was ''known'' to me, but that there was NOTHING at all. It was like being a part of absolutely everything at once, having no sense of a individuality, but also like a total void of anything, save a sort of sense of peace and contentment. So very hard to express. A glimpse into both everything and nothing I guess. -- Anthony S
When I first passed out, I entered the void-darkness-abyss. It was everything, yet nothing. It felt as if it were raw un-manifested energy. I didn't feel loneliness or any negative emotions, nor positive emotions, either. I felt in balance between the two. -- Trevor O
I was aware that I was dying but there was no sense of regret, for there was no sense, as I said, of past (to regret) or future (to despair for). I just existed, and it was beautiful. As I was, in pain, and suffocating, but none of it mattered, for I was transcending eternity and in the void and I was the void and the void was me - and I would be in this place where I was forever - and if forever were to be an instant or a thousand years was immaterial and irrelevant. I felt, 'Abide with me, here, now, for I am at peace, and we are one'. Everything in that void where one would think 'Nothing' existed - the only reason it is called 'Nothing', I believe, is that there is no Time, and existence is purely Being. That was my experience. Perhaps this is what the existentialist philosophers tried so hard to communicate, this 'being-in-the moment', this awareness of self - what they stated was paltry compared to this. What I felt was powerful and intense and life changing. It transcended any mere 'moment'. When I die, if this is what I will feel for all eternity, I await it. -- Alison D
I then found myself floating in a void. It was neither dark nor light. It was just nothingness. I was lying on my back, looking up, floating. No thoughts. No Emotions. Within me was complete emptiness; I seemed to be completely free. I have a hard time finding words to describe this experience. For example, I don't know if this sense of weightlessness within would be called a 'feeling' or what. It was just peace. -- Giselle V
The experience was void and yet all-encompassing at the same time. It was a state of de-manifestation with the seeming power to re-manifest should I choose to introduce thought. It was kind of like this; I wasn't thinking but if I did think, I would become what I was thinking. Therefore, I dared not think about anything because that would have meant that I would have manifested out of total awareness and bliss. Being in this state was beyond bliss, you want to stay there and not do anything to disturb it. -- Victor C
I found myself in a black void completely at peace. I had no self-awareness. I cannot describe the feeling of completely peace: no pain, no worries, no sense of self, it was fantastic... There was no ‘me’ or ‘I’. In the void there is nothing but it is a peaceful, one could almost say, loving nothing...Being (or rather not 'being') in the void was blissful and peaceful in a way that no words can really, usefully describe. I had always been scared of death and dying; having been dead and experienced the complete peacefulness of it, I am no longer afraid. -- Bonnie W
It amazes me that a dark space, void of people, and being all alone, was the most beautiful loving experience I could ever have... When I was in that place/void I realized that my beliefs about God weren't real -- Vanessa W
It was a void, darkness but yet I felt it contained all light at the same time...What I remembered was that I had completely merged again with it. It was a void, darkness, but unconditional love. I was no longer a separate being. I was where I belonged, where I came from. It was perfect. When it was time to return I had to again differentiate from it and become a separate soul again. Yet I was still a part of it. -- Gwen J
I then made a seamless transition to another space. I found myself in a void; I can only describe it as an endless plain of nothingness as if space without the stars or planets. I had no physical body and saw through something other than a set of eyes. Everything seemed to be coming or existing from the same complete source that I seemed to be a part of now. I was no longer aware of, nor needed to be aware of, the mechanics of what was taking place, for all was accepted for what it was, and what it existed as. I was immediately bombarded with information that came to me from all directions, through multiple dimensions (as so it seemed). The information rushed at me like the last stages of some type of completion. It was perfecting the harmony in which I was part of now. It was as if my being had become a vacuum, opening up, allowing everything that ever was, or was to ever be, inside. Within what seemed to be a blink of an eye, the information retention was over.
I can only do my best at this point to explain what took place, for words fall miles short of the actual feeling. I will do my best to explain it as this. I now understood everything that ever was, or was ever to be. I didn’t need to think or even question anymore. I was complete; I was what I believe was the highest existence of peace that could ever be, for my mind was silent and I was simply being, and nothing more. I was a part of everything that ever was and with that I had no expectations nor thought, I was existing within everything and had no form or shape, just a complete perfect state of being. -- Burke
Calm, peaceful knowing. I was happier there in the void than I'd ever been on this planet. There was assurance, wonder, and almost a bliss. I accepted coming back to the body, but would have preferred to stay there. -- Patti D
I didn't exist, actually. I was aware that I existed only as a thought, and I quoted to myself, ‘I think, therefore I am.’ I thought about Descartes and wondered what he knew when he said that, and that I understood now what it meant. Wherever I was, it was neither black nor light; it was perhaps a void. I fancied myself like a genie as I hovered there. I was perfectly lucid in thought, but was aware that I was nothing more than thought! I considered it as being curious. I was not afraid; everything was peaceful beyond understanding. -- Jennifer J
Then, total darkness but not in the sense of a darkness that prevents the eyes from seeing, because we don't need eyes here. Darkness is just a word to describe the “void” (of possibility, lack of limitation, complete wholeness), where there is no need to see. I understand that all is well, and this is all far more real, beautiful, sensical and loving than the material world I had previously thought was “life”... When focusing on the question of returning or not, I separate from what I can now describe as “natural wholeness” or “sky-like essence” - this is when thinking starts in a language form - I begin to narrow, specify, limit focus to what can be understood within "normal" context. -- Traci
After this, I found myself in a black void. I felt nothing, thought nothing, knew nothing. I had forgotten all about life and earth and anything I'd ever known. This wasn't necessarily unpleasant, it was neutral. It felt like I was there a very long time: or, in a timeless type of way. It felt like I'd always been here and would always be here. I did not possess a mind it seemed. Then, suddenly and far off, as if it could barely be heard, I heard the cries of my newborn baby and all at once, I remembered everything and returned to my body at once. Once back, I felt strange and unreal, like I'd been gone for eons of time... Also the sense of timelessness, once I came out of it and back into my body, it seemed I was in there (seemed I was dead) for forever. It's like I could have been in that void for eons and eons and eons. -- Sarah
I also experienced total darkness that wasn't darkness, a void that wasn't a void but was everything and everywhere all at once. No time, no space. In that absence of anything I could be anywhere at any time just by thinking about it. All I had to do was to have a thought and I was there. Everywhere all at once. It was the most amazing, profound, deep experience that I have ever had in this human lifetime.-- David G ADC
I was in a 'nothingness', a blackness or a void, and I was alone as in I didn't see anyone else, but I didn't feel alone because I felt unity with everyone and everything. I knew without even a hesitation that everyone and everything in the entire universe is connected into one; that we are each a part of everything - I knew that I was eternal (and I remember being so thankful to discover that eternity is true and has never been a lie or myth). I remember thinking, 'Oh my God. I am dead!!!!!!' And I remember thinking that it was the most beautiful thing that could have ever happened to me - the happiest day of my entire existence - there was nothing sad about it, like I always thought there would be. The only emotions I felt were pure joy, ecstasy and bliss at receiving the knowledge of immortality. It wasn't a feeling or a thought, it was a knowing.-- Christine
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 23:09:04 GMT
This is the game of egoic state of consciousness. That is why it is full of lies,suffering, wars, manipulation, illusions, confusion, abuse and so on. We can assume that it was likely created by single or collective consciousness which is also in the egoic state, because for any consciousness not in the egoic state such creation would simply make no sense. But it is actually not important who and how it was created and I have nothing against it anyway. I am not sabotaging it and have no plans to destroy it, there is nothing malevolent neither in accepting it not in rejecting it, it's simply a matter of personal choice. For everyone who still likes it and wants to continue to play in it - go for it by all means! But I claim my right to freedom to opt out from it. I have a ground to believe that this game is not the only one and there are other games in the entirety of universes that do not involve egoic states of consciousness. There is also an option for an individual consciousness to stay non-involved in any games at all, this is so called state of Void. I will give below some NDE accounts on the Void experiences. The bottom-line is we have 3 options to participate or not to participate in 2 types of games: no participation (Void), non-egoic games, egoic games. The choice is completely free, and forcing anyone to participate (or not) in any type of game would be a violation of free will. "That is why it is full of lies,suffering, wars, manipulation, illusions, confusion, abuse and so on. We can assume that it was likely created by single or collective consciousness which is also in the egoic state" I repeat..There is a malevolent something that does not like this creation and this something will do anything to sabotage it. this explains why "it is full of lies,suffering, wars, manipulation, illusions, confusion, abuse". You are now in victim mode. be a healer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 23:45:56 GMT
So, based on the above, I have strong reason to suspect that the same "gods" who manipulated us on Earth also capture our consciousness after death (by attracting into a tunnel portal) and manipulate us again in their manifested after-life area to re-incarnate on Earth again. What benefit they get from this is not fully clear but it does not matter. The thing is: we can ignore all these warning signs, fine. They may be true and may be not. What is going to happen is that, if we ignore then, we will likely be forced to reincarnate again into egoic conditions with memories lost. If you think it is fine, go for it. I don't, so I want to take a chance to avoid it as much as possible. But think about it: if you were able to achieve second cognition in this lifetime on Earth, good for you! But if you will be forced to re-incarnate again on Earth, your memory will be erased and your consciousness will be again implanted with ego-virus. You will have to start all over again. What is a chance that you will get to the second cognition level again (considering how rare it is)? Based on just your writing here, it is obvious that you are acting from fear modus. You already believe that you WILL be forced to reincarnate. In such a state no one will obviously escape a manipulative being. Transcend your fear and let go of your victim state.
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Post by Stranger2 on Mar 7, 2020 23:46:31 GMT
Exactly. Healing means healing my consciousness from addiction to egoic role games. It's no different from kids playing addictive fight-and-find-treasure virtual reality games, that is exactly what we are doing here. It's just an addiction. You can't get healed from an addictive game while you continue to willingly be engaged in it. If you like playing - go for it. My choice is to stop. Just say no. This has nothing to do with victim mode. It's a mode of making free choice and refusing to being manipulated into "accepting the game on our conditions". I chose to not accept the game on these conditions. That's my healing. It's like living in a camp where you are being fed with narcotics, but if you want to quit, then the management would tell you to "heal yourself, stop being in the victim mode". Excuse me. I'm being forcefully intoxicated with narcotics against my will. I do not accept life on these conditions. Anyway, I know everything you are going to say. But it's just not going to work with me, do not waste you time. I'm out.
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Post by Stranger2 on Mar 8, 2020 0:12:46 GMT
You guys seem to be in a mode of recovery from WPP brainwash, so you went to another extreme There is no fear or victim mode here. It is simply cold-minded understanding of the situation and exercising a choice to get released from it. I already told you that I do not believe in it, I am not a religious person. I simply take precautions and consider possibilities based on available information. If you get into a Stalin concentration camp, you would simply try to find ways to get out and not to get in again. Very simple common sense. But from what I see happening here, I am again being brainwashed into ignoring the available information and accepting the conditions of this virtual reality game. I will not, do not waste your time. You guys designed a bad game just accept it. Do not pass the blame to anyone who does not accept your game. Heal yourself first and stop manifesting addictive ego role games. So, how exactly the "healing" improved life conditions on Earth over the last 10 thousand years? Hey, prove me that life on Earth is wonderful, may be I'll choose to reincarnate again So, Blossom, you referred me to Endall, and Endall referred to the original Buddha's teaching and to Buddha as being an enlightened being. Here is what Buddha said himself as recorded in Pali Canon (which by majority of buddhologists is accepted as a credible source of the original Buddha's words): And what Buddha meant by "released"? First of all, release from the slavery to our own ego-mind. But also, and not the least: So, was Buddha also in a fear-and-victim mode?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 1:27:25 GMT
Exactly. Healing means healing my consciousness from addiction to egoic role games. It's no different from kids playing addictive fight-and-find-treasure virtual reality games, that is exactly what we are doing here. It's just an addiction. You can't get healed from an addictive game while you continue to willingly be engaged in it. If you like playing - go for it. My choice is to stop. Just say no. This has nothing to do with victim mode. It's a mode of making free choice and refusing to being manipulated into "accepting the game on our conditions". I chose to not accept the game on these conditions. That's my healing. It's like living in a camp where you are being fed with narcotics, but if you want to quit, then the management would tell you to "heal yourself, stop being in the victim mode". Excuse me. I'm being forcefully intoxicated with narcotics against my will. I do not accept life on these conditions. Anyway, I know everything you are going to say. But it's just not going to work with me, do not waste you time. I'm out. Problem is you see this as an argument and I see it as a discussion. I am not against you and understand the points you make. Of course there is death and war and disease and evil deeds performed against the human race. That is a given. What has humanity as a whole done to improve these conditions? Well they worship savior types, beg gods and feel freedom comes after death. The world needs freedom warriors. Not violent mind you but in thought and intent. Your (and my) existence began with a thought. When we croak there will be no Jesus or Buddha to save us. I am not much into reincarnation so for me this is all we have.
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Post by Stranger2 on Mar 8, 2020 1:51:31 GMT
Don't count on me, I'm a warrior for freedom FROM the world, at least this particular one. It's unfixable. Yet, I'm still doing as much good as I can while I'm on Earth, but once I die I'm out. The books like Endall's are wonderful: heal yourself and get to the state of second cognition! But seriously, how many people out of 10 billion will get to the second cognition? A few thousand may be, to be optimistic? How is it going to change the egoic state of the rest of the world exactly?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 9:56:51 GMT
Since this thread has a lot about death let me add this extract from Philip G.(his working model) "Contrary to widespread belief, if one dies properly one does NOT 'pass on' (i.e., to somewhere such as 'the Light' or 'heaven' or 'hell' or a 'spirit world'), but life experience simply ceases and one peacefully reverts to fundamental consciousness.
However, for the vast majority of people, an enormous range of experiences are possible on dying (some pleasant or indeed subjectively 'sublime', some not so, and some possibly horrendously awful). This is because these people have soul programming or at least particular beliefs / illusory realities gained during the current lifetime, which cause them to experience and be trapped by illusory realities that manifest as astral realms as they lose their connection with the physical 'reality'. ALL those experiences, even if they seem to be 'heavenly', are seriously problematical, because they're in various ways adding to the person's soul programming for his/her then programmed and inevitable soul-reincarnation as unwitting complete captives of the garbage."
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Post by Stranger2 on Mar 8, 2020 12:20:52 GMT
Since this thread has a lot about death let me add this extract from Philip G.(his working model) "Contrary to widespread belief, if one dies properly one does NOT 'pass on' (i.e., to somewhere such as 'the Light' or 'heaven' or 'hell' or a 'spirit world'), but life experience simply ceases and one peacefully reverts to fundamental consciousness. However, for the vast majority of people, an enormous range of experiences are possible on dying (some pleasant or indeed subjectively 'sublime', some not so, and some possibly horrendously awful). This is because these people have soul programming or at least particular beliefs / illusory realities gained during the current lifetime, which cause them to experience and be trapped by illusory realities that manifest as astral realms as they lose their connection with the physical 'reality'. ALL those experiences, even if they seem to be 'heavenly', are seriously problematical, because they're in various ways adding to the person's soul programming for his/her then programmed and inevitable soul-reincarnation as unwitting complete captives of the garbage." That is exactly correct. "Reverting to fundamental consciousness" is what NDE Void experiences are about and what Buddha called Nirvana. However, very few people get there and stay there after death due to strong residual "soul programming". So, on the above discussion, my point is: we can only heal ourselves individually and may be in a process of doing that help a few people around. Healing humanity from the egophrenia as a whole is a total utopia. Communism, New-Age "lightworkers" and so on are all just different variants of saving humanity from the egophrenia and it never works. I grew up in a communist country, and communism is actually a wonderful idea. There was a lot of communist education in schools, we were taught the spirit of collectivism, to be non-selfish, honest, hard-working, optimistic an so on. But eventually the country ended up being one of the most corrupted countries in the world. All that wonderful education turned out to be just wishful thinking, it's like trying to cure cancer with Chamomile. What communists missed is that it is impossible to change the human nature and heal it from the ego-decease on the level of masses, it can only be achieved individually and only in very rare cases, and only by going much deeper and unrooting the very root cause of the egoic mind. Yet, another kind of wishful thinking is WPP-like teachings that there is absolutely no problem with ourselves, the only thing we need to do is to break from the "construct" and some malevolent "Overlords" that manipulate our minds, and then we will be free and happy forever. This is a failure to see the root of the problem in our own minds. But granted that the state of our individual minds are also influenced by the collective states and societies that we live in. So, actually, both is needed: healing ourselves (the primary!) but also breaking free from being involved and manipulated by unhealthy environments and societies where our development becomes severely impeded. Heal ourselves from drug addiction (to ego) but also at the same time free ourselves from being caught in societies of other addicts because their mentality is poisonous for us.
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Post by lhayikk on Mar 8, 2020 16:19:40 GMT
Now i am totally confused.
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