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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 5:12:30 GMT
A Course in Miracles is channeled (purportedly from Jesus / Christos) so not sure that it falls under Icon, but I will put it here. The language is very Christian, quite dramatic, authoritative, condescending and repetitive and leads to the father (hopefully not the one who 'ran the prison'), but the underlying message is good (it does qualify at the beginning that the terminology is symbolic and could therefore be interchangeable... something along those lines).
Keep this in mind when thinking of the father : Hidden Hand : Just as is portrayed in the book of Genesis, the planet was very "Edenic" in nature. Sure, it was a lovely 'paradise', yet the Beings incarnating there had no agitator toward evolving beyond the 3rd Density, and therefore, little hope of ever making the journey Home, to The One. Yahweh has been happy to keep his own little pet Eden Project in effect, but with little chance of the Souls here making it Home, it had become in effect, an albeit very beautiful 'Prison'. Yahweh was, in modern parlance, running a benign dictatorship. (Game ?)
From The Forgiving Dream T-29.IX.4. There can be no salvation in the dream as you are dreaming it. 2 For idols must be part of it, to save you from what you believe you have accomplished, and have done to make you sinful and put out the light within you. 3 Little child, the light is there. 4 You do but dream, and idols are the toys you dream you play with. 5 Who has need of toys but children? 6 They pretend they rule the world, and give their toys the power to move about, and talk and think and feel and speak for them. 7 Yet everything their toys appear to do is in the minds of those who play with them. 8 But they are eager to forget that they made up the dream in which their toys are real, nor recognize their wishes are their own.
T-29.IX.5. Nightmares are childish dreams. 2 The toys have turned against the child who thought he made them real. 3 Yet can a dream attack? 4 Or can a toy grow large and dangerous and fierce and wild? 5 This does the child believe, because he fears his thoughts and gives them to the toys instead. 6 And their reality becomes his own, because they seem to save him from his thoughts. 7 Yet do they keep his thoughts alive and real, but seen outside himself, where they can turn against him for his treachery to them. 8 He thinks he needs them that he may escape his thoughts, because he thinks the thoughts are real. 9 And so he makes of anything a toy, to make his world remain outside himself, and play that he is but a part of it.
T-29.IX.6. There is a time when childhood should be passed and gone forever. 2 Seek not to retain the toys of children. 3 Put them all away, for you have need of them no more. 4 The dream of judgment is a children's game, in which the child becomes the father, powerful, but with the little wisdom of a child. 5 What hurts him is destroyed; what helps him, blessed. 6 Except he judges this as does a child, who does not know what hurts and what will heal. 7 And bad things seem to happen, and he is afraid of all the chaos in a world he thinks is governed by the laws he made. 8 Yet is the real world unaffected by the world he thinks is real. 9 Nor have its laws been changed because he does not understand.
T-29.IX.7. The real world still is but a dream. 2 Except the figures have been changed. 3 They are not seen as idols which betray. 4 It is a dream in which no one is used to substitute for something else, nor interposed between the thoughts the mind conceives and what it sees. 5 No one is used for something he is not, for childish things have all been put away. 6 And what was once a dream of judgment now has changed into a dream where all is joy, because that is the purpose that it has. 7 Only forgiving dreams can enter here, for time is almost over. 8 And the forms that enter in the dream are now perceived as brothers, not in judgment, but in love.
T-29.IX.8. Forgiving dreams have little need to last. 2 They are not made to separate the mind from what it thinks. 3 They do not seek to prove the dream is being dreamed by someone else. 4 And in these dreams a melody is heard that everyone remembers, though he has not heard it since before all time began. 5 Forgiveness, once complete, brings timelessness so close the song of Heaven can be heard, not with the ears, but with the holiness that never left the altar that abides forever deep within the Son of God. 6 And when he hears this song again, he knows he never heard it not. 7 And where is time, when dreams of judgment have been put away?
T-29.IX.9. Whenever you feel fear in any form,--and you are fearful if you do not feel a deep content, a certainty of help, a calm assurance Heaven goes with you,--be sure you made an idol, and believe it will betray you. 2 For beneath your hope that it will save you lie the guilt and pain of self-betrayal and uncertainty, so deep and bitter that the dream cannot conceal completely all your sense of doom. 3 Your self-betrayal must result in fear, for fear is judgment, leading surely to the frantic search for idols and for death.
T-29.IX.10. Forgiving dreams remind you that you live in safety and have not attacked yourself. 2 So do your childish terrors melt away, and dreams become a sign that you have made a new beginning, not another try to worship idols and to keep attack. 3 Forgiving dreams are kind to everyone who figures in the dream. 4 And so they bring the dreamer full release from dreams of fear. 5 He does not fear his judgment for he has judged no one, nor has sought to be released through judgment from what judgment must impose. 6 And all the while he is remembering what he forgot, when judgment seemed to be the way to save him from its penalty.
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Post by Henrik on Sept 11, 2018 8:31:23 GMT
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Post by ML on Sept 11, 2018 9:46:09 GMT
A Course in Miracles is channeled (purportedly from Jesus / Christos) so not sure that it falls under Icon, but I will put it here. The language is very Christian, quite dramatic, authoritative, condescending and repetitive and leads to the father (hopefully not the one who 'ran the prison'), but the underlying message is good (it does qualify at the beginning that the terminology is symbolic and could therefore be interchangeable... something along those lines). Keep this in mind when thinking of the father :Hidden Hand : Just as is portrayed in the book of Genesis, the planet was very "Edenic" in nature. Sure, it was a lovely 'paradise', yet the Beings incarnating there had no agitator toward evolving beyond the 3rd Density, and therefore, little hope of ever making the journey Home, to The One. Yahweh has been happy to keep his own little pet Eden Project in effect, but with little chance of the Souls here making it Home, it had become in effect, an albeit very beautiful 'Prison'. Yahweh was, in modern parlance, running a benign dictatorship. (Game ?) From The Forgiving DreamT-29.IX.4. There can be no salvation in the dream as you are dreaming it. 2 For idols must be part of it, to save you from what you believe you have accomplished, and have done to make you sinful and put out the light within you. 3 Little child, the light is there. 4 You do but dream, and idols are the toys you dream you play with. 5 Who has need of toys but children? 6 They pretend they rule the world, and give their toys the power to move about, and talk and think and feel and speak for them. 7 Yet everything their toys appear to do is in the minds of those who play with them. 8 But they are eager to forget that they made up the dream in which their toys are real, nor recognize their wishes are their own. T-29.IX.5. Nightmares are childish dreams. 2 The toys have turned against the child who thought he made them real. 3 Yet can a dream attack? 4 Or can a toy grow large and dangerous and fierce and wild? 5 This does the child believe, because he fears his thoughts and gives them to the toys instead. 6 And their reality becomes his own, because they seem to save him from his thoughts. 7 Yet do they keep his thoughts alive and real, but seen outside himself, where they can turn against him for his treachery to them. 8 He thinks he needs them that he may escape his thoughts, because he thinks the thoughts are real. 9 And so he makes of anything a toy, to make his world remain outside himself, and play that he is but a part of it. T-29.IX.6. There is a time when childhood should be passed and gone forever. 2 Seek not to retain the toys of children. 3 Put them all away, for you have need of them no more. 4 The dream of judgment is a children's game, in which the child becomes the father, powerful, but with the little wisdom of a child. 5 What hurts him is destroyed; what helps him, blessed. 6 Except he judges this as does a child, who does not know what hurts and what will heal. 7 And bad things seem to happen, and he is afraid of all the chaos in a world he thinks is governed by the laws he made. 8 Yet is the real world unaffected by the world he thinks is real. 9 Nor have its laws been changed because he does not understand. T-29.IX.7. The real world still is but a dream. 2 Except the figures have been changed. 3 They are not seen as idols which betray. 4 It is a dream in which no one is used to substitute for something else, nor interposed between the thoughts the mind conceives and what it sees. 5 No one is used for something he is not, for childish things have all been put away. 6 And what was once a dream of judgment now has changed into a dream where all is joy, because that is the purpose that it has. 7 Only forgiving dreams can enter here, for time is almost over. 8 And the forms that enter in the dream are now perceived as brothers, not in judgment, but in love. T-29.IX.8. Forgiving dreams have little need to last. 2 They are not made to separate the mind from what it thinks. 3 They do not seek to prove the dream is being dreamed by someone else. 4 And in these dreams a melody is heard that everyone remembers, though he has not heard it since before all time began. 5 Forgiveness, once complete, brings timelessness so close the song of Heaven can be heard, not with the ears, but with the holiness that never left the altar that abides forever deep within the Son of God. 6 And when he hears this song again, he knows he never heard it not. 7 And where is time, when dreams of judgment have been put away? T-29.IX.9. Whenever you feel fear in any form,--and you are fearful if you do not feel a deep content, a certainty of help, a calm assurance Heaven goes with you,--be sure you made an idol, and believe it will betray you. 2 For beneath your hope that it will save you lie the guilt and pain of self-betrayal and uncertainty, so deep and bitter that the dream cannot conceal completely all your sense of doom. 3 Your self-betrayal must result in fear, for fear is judgment, leading surely to the frantic search for idols and for death. T-29.IX.10. Forgiving dreams remind you that you live in safety and have not attacked yourself. 2 So do your childish terrors melt away, and dreams become a sign that you have made a new beginning, not another try to worship idols and to keep attack. 3 Forgiving dreams are kind to everyone who figures in the dream. 4 And so they bring the dreamer full release from dreams of fear. 5 He does not fear his judgment for he has judged no one, nor has sought to be released through judgment from what judgment must impose. 6 And all the while he is remembering what he forgot, when judgment seemed to be the way to save him from its penalty. is this the hidden Hand that posted in a forum in 2008?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 22:45:36 GMT
is this the hidden Hand that posted in a forum in 2008? Yes it is.
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Post by ML on Sept 12, 2018 1:02:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 20:31:45 GMT
I personally don't go in for types like Abraxas and Avalon Sol (embodiments and galactic councils as far as I can tell). Not to say that there might not be some truth in what they say, just not my thing. I prefer ground level stuff. I see absolutely no association between these two and Hidden Hand. Hidden Hand claimed to be near the top of this thing (the black part just below the white part I think). He/she said that there is a light side, but they do not know them (I assume those would fall in the white part). Masonic Art, Maryland :
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Post by ML on Sept 13, 2018 1:06:50 GMT
I personally don't go in for types like Abraxas and Avalon Sol (embodiments and galactic councils as far as I can tell). Not to say that there might not be some truth in what they say, just not my thing. I prefer ground level stuff. I see absolutely no association between these two and Hidden Hand. Hidden Hand claimed to be near the top of this thing (the black part just below the white part I think). He/she said that there is a light side, but they do not know them (I assume those would fall in the white part). Masonic Art, Maryland : Thanks Barbara for that insight. for me personally.. These three ( HH, Abrax, Avalon ) has different layers and targets with their information's. but ultimately i see them as entities coming from the same group. in my view : They are here to reveal information's that are previously hard to find or secrets even. maybe 80 to 90% of their infos are technically correct... but they have an agenda...and that is to lead us not into where we need to be. and that is our true home... they do this so that we stay 'here' and provide energy for them. maybe not them 3 directly but the entities above them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 0:24:05 GMT
Thanks Barbara for that insight. for me personally.. These three ( HH, Abrax, Avalon ) has different layers and targets with their information's. but ultimately i see them as entities coming from the same group. in my view : They are here to reveal information's that are previously hard to find or secrets even. maybe 80 to 90% of their infos are technically correct... but they have an agenda...and that is to lead us not into where we need to be. and that is our true home... they do this so that we stay 'here' and provide energy for them. maybe not them 3 directly but the entities above them. Hi Miron_Lang I had a look at Abrax and Avalon... not in depth, as I have been put into / put myself into (by circumstance and to some extent compliance), a rather limiting situation in terms of what I do with my time. I agree with you that they may not be leading us to where we need to be. As with HH, the language used gives credence to the idea that this is a simulation. "Being Negative is very hard for us, not on a physical level, (the characters we play enjoy our roles, as we're programmed that way), but on a Spiritual level, it is hard." Hidden Hand Page 18 (as downloaded from Illuminati News)
"In data streaming, the vehicle is receiving the message in "packages", almost like computer zip files, containing all the information the vehicle needs to answer the question, and sometimes more. No trance state is needed; you ask the question, a download happens, and the vehicle receives the answer from the star race. Normally, the messenger who receives the "zip file" is a member of the star race which is sending them, so it's not like the receiver is uninformed of the information." Wes Penre WP03 Page 133 (related to Abraxas and others)
“I was activated for my journey less than 3 years ago, I was given 1 billion years’ worth of your history all at once, and then turned out into your masses so that you would have some idea of what the Law of ONE really is, and why you will be required to know it, believe it and live it, or you don’t actually get to move forward.” Emerald Guardians Avalon Sol : Human Weakness. The Massive Lie
In the case of Abraxas and Avalon Sol they are indicating that we are 'special' and (1) in the case of Abraxas, that we need to (simply put) merge our various aspects, ascend and become "dragonized starhumans" and (2) in the case of Avalon Sol, perhaps return to our Edenic 3D paradise (I haven't read enough to really know). Both of these appear to me to be very much 'game' and could just be 'the garbage' trying to survive. My feeling is that (part of) 'the game' has taken on a life of its own, that the various illusory 'aspects of ourselves' have become lost in it and that, as long as we cling to the illusions, we will remain stuck. HH, on the other hand, despite indicating that 'they' are leading us through 'the game', also gives indications that 'they' are trying to break our attachment to the illusion and to awaken our consciousness in 'the game'. When you can see the Divine spark of the Infinite Creator, even within those who would mean you harm, the strong grip of the illusion will begin to lose it's power over you. Hidden Hand Page 28 (as downloaded from Illuminati News) We already are Creators. And so are you. The only question is, will you Create Consciously, or subconsciously? Hidden Hand Page 36 (as downloaded from Illuminati News)My feel is that this is a re-enactment and that the sequence of events are largely pre-determined, with variations in timing and outcomes being dependent on decisions made as a group / groups and as individuals. There appear to be many forces at play, all of which / whom may not be fully aware of the end game, but just play their part (and could of course have gone off course or could be working towards a different end). It should all resolve in the end. For myself, I feel that the best course of action is to do no harm (as far as possible), to try to see past the illusions (as far as possible), to be mindful / present (as far as possible) and hopefully, in the process, find our way to where we need to be.
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Post by ML on Oct 1, 2018 0:56:58 GMT
There appear to be many forces at play, all of which / whom may not be fully aware of the end game, but just play their part (and could of course have gone off course or could be working towards a different end). It should all resolve in the end. For myself, I feel that the best course of action is to do no harm (as far as possible), to try to see past the illusions (as far as possible), to be mindful / present (as far as possible) and hopefully, in the process, find our way to where we need to be. Agree.
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Post by ninurta4 on Oct 1, 2018 15:26:36 GMT
Thanks Barbara for that insight. for me personally.. These three ( HH, Abrax, Avalon ) has different layers and targets with their information's. but ultimately i see them as entities coming from the same group. in my view : They are here to reveal information's that are previously hard to find or secrets even. maybe 80 to 90% of their infos are technically correct... but they have an agenda...and that is to lead us not into where we need to be. and that is our true home... they do this so that we stay 'here' and provide energy for them. maybe not them 3 directly but the entities above them. Hi Miron_Lang as I have been put into / put myself into (by circumstance and to some extent compliance), IMHO that thing that put you into circumstance that you had to COMPLY whether you like it or not...THAT thing...there in lies the door to ultimate truth I guess...everything else is just information...but through that thing and examining that thing there's a possibility of arriving at truth and in my own experience ultimately the truth is that you can't know it haha.. It's unknowable I.e Real truth... We can be fine with just Info or we can look at the truth in the eye...Face it with all we got...with all our might or we can keep entertaining ourselves with the manifestations of it..its all up to us... I'm just giving an opinion, it matters Not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 4:47:48 GMT
Hi Miron_Lang as I have been put into / put myself into (by circumstance and to some extent compliance), IMHO that thing that put you into circumstance that you had to COMPLY whether you like it or not...THAT thing...there in lies the door to ultimate truth I guess...everything else is just information...but through that thing and examining that thing there's a possibility of arriving at truth and in my own experience ultimately the truth is that you can't know it haha.. It's unknowable I.e Real truth... We can be fine with just Info or we can look at the truth in the eye...Face it with all we got...with all our might or we can keep entertaining ourselves with the manifestations of it..its all up to us... I'm just giving an opinion, it matters Not. haha.... yes. Actually, along with a lot of busyness (which started escalating when I started researching), my "limiting circumstance" causes me to watch a fair amount of TV, which, together with my keen sense of observation, causes me to see a lot of things. For instance, I was watching Norm MacDonald interview Jane Fonda. They briefly discussed her activism related to Vietmam. He said (paraphrasing) "you apologised, was it because of... (and did a 'covert' 666 sign) ? She replied (paraphrasing) "yes, when they explained to me why it was necessary, I apologised" (definitely not exact, but that was the gist). Later in the interview he said another interesting thing (again paraphrasing) "if you were preparing to go on an amazing trip (he was more descriptive) and before you went someone told you that you wouldn't remember any of it, would you go ? " She of course answered "no". I love Norm MacDonald, he comes across as a bit ditsy, but he has a very penetrating mind. I take it he was referring to this 'game' of forgetting and, if we're lucky, more than a billion years later (if Avalon Sol's time frames are anything to go by), remembering.... maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2018 4:35:54 GMT
T-31.V.16. You will make many concepts of the self as learning goes along. 2 Each one will show the changes in your own relationships, as your perception of yourself is changed. 3 There will be some confusion every time there is a shift, but be you thankful that the learning of the world is loosening its grasp upon your mind. 4 And be you sure and happy in the confidence that it will go at last, and leave your mind at peace. 5 The role of the accuser will appear in many places and in many forms. 6 And each will seem to be accusing you. 7 Yet have no fear it will not be undone.
T-31.V.17. The world can teach no images of you unless you want to learn them. 2 There will come a time when images have all gone by, and you will see you know not what you are. 3 It is to this unsealed and open mind that truth returns, unhindered and unbound. 4 Where concepts of the self have been laid by is truth revealed exactly as it is. 5 When every concept has been raised to doubt and question, and been recognized as made on no assumptions that would stand the light, then is the truth left free to enter in its sanctuary, clean and free of guilt. 6 There is no statement that the world is more afraid to hear than this:
7 I do not know the thing I am, and therefore do not know what I am doing, where I am, or how to look upon the world or on myself.
8 Yet in this learning is salvation born. 9 And What you are will tell you of Itself.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 10:26:57 GMT
I feel that ACIM leaves out a lot of the background/detail, perhaps rightly, (and of course there is the language), but this illustrates quite nicely the concept of the 'creator' and the 'creation' being the same thing or being interchangeable (as illustrated in Westworld), as well as the concepts of "good" and "evil".
Chapter 31 – V. Self-Concept versus Self
T-31.V.1. The learning of the world is built upon a concept of the self adjusted to the world's reality. 2 It fits it well. 3 For this an image is that suits a world of shadows and illusions. 4 Here it walks at home, where what it sees is one with it. 5 The building of a concept of the self is what the learning of the world is for. 6 This is its purpose; that you come without a self, and make one as you go along. 7 And by the time you reach "maturity" you have perfected it, to meet the world on equal terms, at one with its demands.
T-31.V.2. A concept of the self is made by you. 2 It bears no likeness to yourself at all. 3 It is an idol, made to take the place of your reality as Son of God. 4 The concept of the self the world would teach is not the thing that it appears to be. 5 For it is made to serve two purposes, but one of which the mind can recognize. 6 The first presents the face of innocence, the aspect acted on. 7 It is this face that smiles and charms and even seems to love. 8 It searches for companions and it looks, at times with pity, on the suffering, and sometimes offers solace. 9 It believes that it is good within an evil world.
-31.V.3. This aspect can grow angry, for the world is wicked and unable to provide the love and shelter innocence deserves. 2 And so this face is often wet with tears at the injustices the world accords to those who would be generous and good. 3 This aspect never makes the first attack. 4 But every day a hundred little things make small assaults upon its innocence, provoking it to irritation, and at last to open insult and abuse.
T-31.V.4. The face of innocence the concept of the self so proudly wears can tolerate attack in self-defense, for is it not a well-known fact the world deals harshly with defenseless innocence? 2 No one who makes a picture of himself omits this face, for he has need of it. 3 The other side he does not want to see. 4 Yet it is here the learning of the world has set its sights, for it is here the world's "reality" is set, to see to it the idol lasts.
T-31.V.5. Beneath the face of innocence there is a lesson that the concept of the self was made to teach. 2 It is a lesson in a terrible displacement, and a fear so devastating that the face that smiles above it must forever look away, lest it perceive the treachery it hides. 3 The lesson teaches this: "I am the thing you made of me, and as you look on me, you stand condemned because of what I am." 4 On this conception of the self the world smiles with approval, for it guarantees the pathways of the world are safely kept, and those who walk on them will not escape.
T-31.V.6. Here is the central lesson that ensures your brother is condemned eternally. 2 For what you are has now become his sin. 3 For this is no forgiveness possible. 4 No longer does it matter what he does, for your accusing finger points to him, unwavering and deadly in its aim. 5 It points to you as well, but this is kept still deeper in the mists below the face of innocence. 6 And in these shrouded vaults are all his sins and yours preserved and kept in darkness, where they cannot be perceived as errors, which the light would surely show. 7 You can be neither blamed for what you are, nor can you change the things it makes you do. 8 Your brother then is symbol of your sins to you who are but silently, and yet with ceaseless urgency, condemning still your brother for the hated thing you are.
T-31.V.7. Concepts are learned. 2 They are not natural. 3 Apart from learning they do not exist. 4 They are not given, so they must be made. 5 Not one of them is true, and many come from feverish imaginations, hot with hatred and distortions born of fear. 6 What is a concept but a thought to which its maker gives a meaning of his own? 7 Concepts maintain the world. 8 But they can not be used to demonstrate the world is real. 9 For all of them are made within the world, born in its shadow, growing in its ways and finally "maturing" in its thought. 10 They are ideas of idols, painted with the brushes of the world, which cannot make a single picture representing truth.
T-31.V.8. A concept of the self is meaningless, for no one here can see what it is for, and therefore cannot picture what it is. 2 Yet is all learning that the world directs begun and ended with the single aim of teaching you this concept of yourself, that you will choose to follow this world's laws, and never seek to go beyond its roads nor realize the way you see yourself. 3 Now must the Holy Spirit find a way to help you see this concept of the self must be undone, if any peace of mind is to be given you. 4 Nor can it be unlearned except by lessons aimed to teach that you are something else. 5 For otherwise, you would be asked to make exchange of what you now believe for total loss of self, and greater terror would arise in you.
T-31.V.9. Thus are the Holy Spirit's lesson plans arranged in easy steps, that though there be some lack of ease at times and some distress, there is no shattering of what was learned, but just a re-translation of what seems to be the evidence on its behalf. 2 Let us consider, then, what proof there is that you are what your brother made of you. 3 For even though you do not yet perceive that this is what you think, you surely learned by now that you behave as if it were. 4 Does he react for you? 5 And does he know exactly what would happen? 6 Can he see your future and ordain, before it comes, what you should do in every circumstance? 7 He must have made the world as well as you to have such prescience in the things to come.
T-31.V.10. That you are what your brother made of you seems most unlikely. 2 Even if he did, who gave the face of innocence to you? 3 Is this your contribution? 4 Who is, then, the "you" who made it? 5 And who is deceived by all your goodness, and attacks it so? 6 Let us forget the concept's foolishness, and merely think of this; there are two parts to what you think yourself to be. 7 If one were generated by your brother, who was there to make the other? 8 And from whom must something be kept hidden? 9 If the world be evil, there is still no need to hide what you are made of. 10 Who is there to see? 11 And what but is attacked could need defense?
T-31.V.11. Perhaps the reason why this concept must be kept in darkness is that, in the light, the one who would not think it true is you. 2 And what would happen to the world you see, if all its underpinnings were removed? 3 Your concept of the world depends upon this concept of the self. 4 And both would go, if either one were ever raised to doubt. 5 The Holy Spirit does not seek to throw you into panic. 6 So He merely asks if just a little question might be raised.
T-31.V.12. There are alternatives about the thing that you must be. 2 You might, for instance, be the thing you chose to have your brother be. 3 This shifts the concept of the self from what is wholly passive, and at least makes way for active choice, and some acknowledgment that interaction must have entered in. 4 There is some understanding that you chose for both of you, and what he represents has meaning that was given it by you. 5 It also shows some glimmering of sight into perception's law that what you see reflects the state of the perceiver's mind. 6 Yet who was it that did the choosing first? 7 If you are what you chose your brother be, alternatives were there to choose among, and someone must have first decided on the one to choose, and let the other go.
T-31.V.13. Although this step has gains, it does not yet approach a basic question. 2 Something must have gone before these concepts of the self. 3 And something must have done the learning which gave rise to them. 4 Nor can this be explained by either view. 5 The main advantage of the shifting to the second from the first is that you somehow entered in the choice by your decision. 6 But this gain is paid in almost equal loss, for now you stand accused of guilt for what your brother is. 7 And you must share his guilt, because you chose it for him in the image of your own. 8 While only he was treacherous before, now must you be condemned along with him.
T-31.V.14. The concept of the self has always been the great preoccupation of the world. 2 And everyone believes that he must find the answer to the riddle of himself. 3 Salvation can be seen as nothing more than the escape from concepts. 4 It does not concern itself with content of the mind, but with the simple statement that it thinks. 5 And what can think has choice, and can be shown that different thoughts have different consequence. 6 So it can learn that everything it thinks reflects the deep confusion that it feels about how it was made and what it is. 7 And vaguely does the concept of the self appear to answer what it does not know.
T-31.V.15. Seek not your Self in symbols. 2 There can be no concept that can stand for what you are. 3 What matters it which concept you accept while you perceive a self that interacts with evil, and reacts to wicked things? 4 Your concept of yourself will still remain quite meaningless. 5 And you will not perceive that you can interact but with yourself. 6 To see a guilty world is but the sign your learning has been guided by the world, and you behold it as you see yourself. 7 The concept of the self embraces all you look upon, and nothing is outside of this perception. 8 If you can be hurt by anything, you see a picture of your secret wishes. 9 Nothing more than this. 10 And in your suffering of any kind you see your own concealed desire to kill.
T-31.V.16. You will make many concepts of the self as learning goes along. 2 Each one will show the changes in your own relationships, as your perception of yourself is changed. 3 There will be some confusion every time there is a shift, but be you thankful that the learning of the world is loosening its grasp upon your mind. 4 And be you sure and happy in the confidence that it will go at last, and leave your mind at peace. 5 The role of the accuser will appear in many places and in many forms. 6 And each will seem to be accusing you. 7 Yet have no fear it will not be undone.
T-31.V.17. The world can teach no images of you unless you want to learn them. 2 There will come a time when images have all gone by, and you will see you know not what you are. 3 It is to this unsealed and open mind that truth returns, unhindered and unbound. 4 Where concepts of the self have been laid by is truth revealed exactly as it is. 5 When every concept has been raised to doubt and question, and been recognized as made on no assumptions that would stand the light, then is the truth left free to enter in its sanctuary, clean and free of guilt. 6 There is no statement that the world is more afraid to hear than this: 7 I do not know the thing I am, and therefore do not know what I am doing, where I am, or how to look upon the world or on myself. 8 Yet in this learning is salvation born. 9 And What you are will tell you of Itself.
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Post by girlscout on Mar 9, 2019 15:18:43 GMT
“The building of a concept of the self is what the learning of the world is for. 6 This is its purpose; that you come without a self, and make one as you go along. 7 And by the time you reach "maturity" you have perfected it, to meet the world on equal terms, at one with its demands.” “It points to you as well, but this is kept still deeper in the mists below the face of innocence. 6 And in these shrouded vaults are all his sins and yours preserved and kept in darkness, where they cannot be perceived as errors, which the light would surely show. 7 You can be neither blamed for what you are, nor can you change the things it makes you do. 8 Your brother then is symbol of your sins to you who are but silently, and yet with ceaseless urgency, condemning still your brother for the hated thing you are.” “ 6 What is a concept but a thought to which its maker gives a meaning of his own? 7 Concepts maintain the world. 8 But they can not be used to demonstrate the world is real. 9 For all of them are made within the world, born in its shadow, growing in its ways and finally "maturing" in its thought. 10 They are ideas of idols, painted with the brushes of the world, which cannot make a single picture representing truth.” ...”you would be asked to make exchange of what you now believe for total loss of self, and greater terror would arise in you.” ...”a re-translation of what seems to be the evidence on its behalf. ” ... “ 5 The Holy Spirit does not seek to throw you into panic. 6 So He merely asks if just a little question might be raised.” ...”You will make many concepts of the self as learning goes along. 2 Each one will show the changes in your own relationships, as your perception of yourself is changed. 3 There will be some confusion every time there is a shift, but be you thankful that the learning of the world is loosening its grasp upon your mind.” ... “There will come a time when images have all gone by, and you will see you know not what you are. 3 It is to this unsealed and open mind that truth returns, unhindered and unbound. ” <Thanks very much for this, Barbara. I was in the mud, so to speak, when my Best Buddy passed. I automatically reverted to ancient teenage coping strategies. If I’d stayed there, it would have been like the last 30 years were wasted. =/ I had to form concepts for behavior that were “better”, just to get a footing. A structure for my life while I learn more of what I’m not, I suppose. I am aware of my dark side, and so “let others be” in theirs. I am not in a role to hold others accountable except in my little circle. And I expect to be “held accountable” too. Meanwhile making progress with the meaning I have fashioned together as my life.>
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 14:45:27 GMT
I would say that the "Son of God" is those who believe (or were 'created by' and believe) in 'god' in some form or another, so most humans / humanoids. The following is worth a read, but I would say that the 'dream' is a simulation (at least this intentional fabrication part is), so imparting some truth, but also misleading / meant to deceive / or maintaining the 'free will not to remember' scenario ?
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Post by ML on Sept 18, 2019 5:47:00 GMT
I think Hidden Hand came back.
Wes covered it with his videos i think.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 17:25:52 GMT
You have so little faith in yourself because you are unwilling to accept the fact that perfect love is in you, and so you seek without for what you cannot find within. (p.293) The search for love is but the honest searching out of everything that interferes with love. (p. 267) Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. (page 338 chapter 16 IV:6) Find more spiritual quotes: www.myspiritualquotes.com/love-acim/Not exactly big into ACIM but these quotes on their own are quite good.
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