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Post by girlscout on Aug 13, 2018 17:26:25 GMT
P319 - The elderly have literally spent a lifetime working their way through a maze of social requirements. But as a society, we don't have a Toltec-like context with which to develop the fullness of life. Therefore we can't reap dividends accrued by extending the ordinary conditions of what is considered a natural life. THE SEER: ... A seer is one who has mastery over energy-body cohesions, reflecting extreme proficiency in SEEING. And SEEING, says Don Juan, is the final accomplishment of a person of knowledge. A seer is a connoisseur of perception, a person who easily moves the focal point about the energy body. Placing too many conditions on what a seer is reduces it to a precious level. And more than anything else, this level concerns freedom. ... To stop the world, you must find the crack between worlds, a place between thoughts. This awareness occurs from a shifting cohesion, which is the mark of a ranger. A Toltec learns to step in and out of it, A person of knowledge skillfully manages it. A seer rules it. ... To govern the energy body with such skill requires a lifetime of work. But first you must bring the second field to life, to full awareness. Castaneda says that his sole quest is to awaken the energy body. He adds that the energy body is used to dream, to navigate the second field. That's what pulls you to freedom, he says. And an awakened energy body eventually leads to the Fire from Within. THE FIRE FROM WITHIN: The Fire from Within occurs when you combine your entire physical mass of energy with the energy body [from Castaneda's Art of Dreaming]. ... According to the Toltec worldview, the physical body and the physical world form a specific cohesion. Changing this cohesion to perceive other worlds requires and act of WILL. The differences in the Toltec and person of knowledge stages concern the ability to handle WILL. ... The Fire from Within, then, is a matter of WILLING yourself to freedom. While activating WILL, we can depart into indulging, or into allowing. Second-cycle Toltecs indulged. ... The ancients learned how to change the energy body, but they remained isolated within the overall human band. Retaining the practice but revamping it's use, third-cycle seers concerned themselves with entire movements of energy into the third energy field. They equated this movement with freedom. Thus the second-cycle related to the Fire from Within as a personal-power skill, whereas the third cycle related to it as attaining a mystifying balance. Why even attempt the Fire from Within? Don Juam says that the mystery of our totality is revealed at death. Toltec, he adds, decide to live with that mystery and knowledge [from Castaneda's Tales of Power]. And so they live to strectch their awareness into the land of deathg and beyond the human condition. Another curious feature in all this talk about evolving awareness is that these capacities are meant to be managed, not necessarily understood. ... He says that Castaneda's failures in the Toltec world were often due to his insistence on understanding [ from Castaneda's A Separate Reality]. Therefore the important part is bringing to life as much awareness as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 23:10:37 GMT
My very polite suggestion is follow no one. Do not be devoted to any teacher no matter how impressive they may seem. Most all is a dead end and a trap. Do follow what is right. if in doubt research well your intended guru. You might be surprised. Be safe.
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Post by girlscout on Aug 14, 2018 0:15:49 GMT
I am not "following" so much (I think) but seeking education, which I think has been sabotaged here on earth.
I DID take TM (transcendental meditation) training, and it calmed me down better than my extensive "organic, self taught" method - and yet I reverted back to my organic way because there are things I need to do (following my own heart). I consider what I learn as added tools to my toolbox. One of the things I like about the book above is that 1) the author is still alive and took the training from don Juan, too; 2) he goes in to the transformation of the "old ways" called second cycle and the newly transformed ways (after conquest) called the third cycle; and 3) that the third cycle innovators consider one "school" or system as one toolbox, and it's better to carry many toolboxes in order to transcend the "school" limitations.
Mostly it's the techniques and goals - and safety concerns that I am studying.
I am in the "experiment and evaluate" mode at this point. I had been resting for quite awhile.
Appreciate the concern, though! <3
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Post by IW on Aug 14, 2018 0:41:32 GMT
SEEING or being a SEER is an energy body accomplishment to be sure. But what is beyond seeing? It is knowing. When you know is when seeing becomes unnecessary, as knowing cannot be seen. Like faith it is not seen only proven.
Seeing is not the final accomplishment of knowing, it is the final accomplishment that is possible without knowing (maybe on the journey TO knowing).
I do agree though that to manage and to govern the energy body can be a lifetime of work. As with all things there are gems to be had. Best wishes!
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Post by girlscout on Aug 14, 2018 2:07:52 GMT
Right, per Don Juan there’s the Initiate, Ranger, Toltec/Seer, and finally “man of knowledge”. =)
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Post by duckie on Aug 14, 2018 3:23:17 GMT
This is the hard part for me: We already know. We just can't remember.
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Post by girlscout on Aug 14, 2018 17:30:01 GMT
P453 Waiting Patience tempers WILL and offers a quiet balance with the world. It is also a force that produces results. For don Juan, waiting is a way of delightfully holding back as you expect what is rightfully due you [Fire From Within]. By the time you reach patience, you don't seek ordinary material gains. You're too enmeshed in exploring other worlds and refining your stance in this one. As a ranger, you wait for your WILL . Don Juan gives guidelines for waiting: know that you're waiting; know what you're waiting for; while waiting, want nothing more than what you're waiting for; while waiting, laugh and enjoy yourself; and when the goal manifests, go with it. You summoned it, it's yours. As you learn to wait, you develop proficiency with the cornerstones of perception, and generally expand your awareness. As a Toltec, you wait to complete your task, an endeavor which don Genaro says requires your "ultimate forbearance" [Tales of Power].
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Post by girlscout on Aug 14, 2018 18:03:29 GMT
P461 Dreaming Dreaming... is a door into the second energy field. Thus it is a key to exploring the Toltec world. In general, it allows us to perceive more than we believe possible. ... For trackers, dreaming provides a chance to refine and elevate their skills. For dreamers, it provides a chance to get into more natural environments. Because of its many applications, it can be used to enhance awareness and to obtain knowledge. Indeed, it provides so many uses and offers so many avenues into the unknown that don Juan calls it a Toltec's jet plane to knowledge [The Power of Silence]. Because of it's power, dreaming should be approached with some trepidation. ... it's a very serious and sober affair, and should be handles with integrity and confidence, but also with laughter [The Art of Dreaming]. So before you enter the dream world, make sure your priorities are in order and your purposes sound. Then remain light and confident. If this admonition sounds like you need to be well fortified, you're correct. But this is neither a hopeless nor a haphazard situation. For, as don Juan says, the strength to tap dreaming comes from the ranger's path [The Fire from Within]. This approach shapes ordinary dreams into dreaming.
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Post by girlscout on Aug 15, 2018 16:54:38 GMT
P509.
THE SYSTEM - The Toltec way is an energy-based system. ... In ancient times, don Juan says, teachers moved their apprentices' focal points through dark practices of spells, rituals, and subjugation. To experience more of their totality, students had to rely on the temperament of the teacher. Don Juan adds that modern-day teachers insist that their students perceive energy on their own. Doing so is then a matter of personal attainment, rather than of receiving a blessing from the teacher. ... As a result, an overriding intent of modern Toltec instruction is ensuring apprentices learn how to clean their links with Spirit by themselves.
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Post by girlscout on Aug 16, 2018 17:53:24 GMT
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Metaphysical Fundamentalism - Reality is a conglomerate of thoughts forming a complete, recognizable world. ... this principle not only has utilitarian value, but also hems in perception. At least until you become a person of knowledge, you need a worldview to have a world. Quite frequently, however, a reality blocks further growth by defining Spirit and thus limiting options. Like any metaphysical system, the Toltec Way harbors such limitations. Following a Toltec path is like being a wizard straight out of a fantasy novel. While it's a real world, complete with fairies, shapeshifting, and dreaming flight, it may hold perception too rigidly in place. This is the trap of it. And this is why don Juan fed .. enough of the Toltec view to demonstrate that other realities exist, but not enough [to] ... get bogged down in yet another description of the world [from Tales of Power]. With this approach, the emphasis remains on freedom.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 20:48:07 GMT
The Active Side of Infinity
"The grand trick of those sorcerers of ancient times was to burden the flyers' mind with discipline. They found out that if they taxed the flyers' mind with inner silence, the foreign installation would flee, giving to any one of the practitioners involved in this maneuver the total certainty of the mind's foreign origin. The foreign installation comes back, I assure you, but not as strong, and a process begins in which the fleeing of the flyers' mind becomes routine, until one day it flees permanently. A sad day indeed! That's the day when you have to rely on your own devices, which are nearly zero. There's no one to tell you what to do. There's no mind of foreign origin to dictate the imbecilities you're accustomed to." "The flyers' mind has no concentration whatsoever. You're being torn by an internal struggle. Down in the depths of you, you know that you are incapable of refusing the agreement that an indispensable part of you, your glowing coat of awareness, is going to serve as an incomprehensible source of nourishment to, naturally, incomprehensible entities. And another part of you will stand against this situation with all its might." "Focus your attention on the fleeting shadows that you actually see. The flyers' mind has not left you, it has been seriously injured. It's trying its best to rearrange its relationship with you. But something in you is severed forever. The flyer knows that. The real danger is that the flyers' mind may win by getting you tired and forcing you to quit by playing the contradiction between what it says and what I say. You see, the flyers' mind has no competitors; when it proposed something, it agrees with its own proposition, and it makes you believe that you've done something of worth. The flyers' mind will say to you that whatever Juan Matus is telling you is pure nonsense, and then the same mind will agree with its own proposition, "Yes, of course, it is nonsense," you will say. That's the way they overcome us."
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Post by Hans Schokkenbroek on Jan 9, 2019 7:20:11 GMT
SEEING or being a SEER is an energy body accomplishment to be sure. But what is beyond seeing? It is knowing. When you know is when seeing becomes unnecessary, as knowing cannot be seen. Like faith it is not seen only proven. Seeing is not the final accomplishment of knowing, it is the final accomplishment that is possible without knowing (maybe on the journey TO knowing). I do agree though that to manage and to govern the energy body can be a lifetime of work. As with all things there are gems to be had. Best wishes! Without having read Castanada maybe the word SEER is not meant literally here. A shaman as I understand it means SEER in the dark. In my personal experience I do NOT SEE anything on my journeys. I KNOW what I am experiencing so I can accurately describe things but I do not SEE....(I guess hence the "SEER in the DARK"). Regardless I agree Irish, it is about all about (inner) KNOWING and that, for me, comes from fully connecting with your Higher Self and therefor with our Parents.
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Post by IW on Jan 9, 2019 7:47:27 GMT
I was referring to Seer as one who sees the energy body.
This most likely is the astral world or "crack between worlds". There are those who can see auras and control their energy bodies as to "change their form". Castanada spends quite a bit of time in his writing on this form of "magic".
He talks of changing your reality, whether through mushrooms etc..to be able to see the unseen.
from GS posted clips: "THE SYSTEM - The Toltec way is an energy-based system. ... In ancient times, don Juan says, teachers moved their apprentices' focal points through dark practices of spells, rituals, and subjugation." "Don Juan adds that modern-day teachers insist that their students perceive energy on their own."
This is much different than knowing, and yes, we're pretty much on the same page!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 13:45:07 GMT
Though there maybe some truth to Carlos and his teachings I politely caution folks. In my research I have come across this several times.
"At the heart of Castaneda's movement was a group of intensely devoted women, all of whom were or had been his lovers. They were known as the witches, and two of them, Florinda Donner-Grau and Taisha Abelar, vanished the day after Castaneda's death, along with Cleargreen president Amalia Marquez and Tensegrity instructor Kylie Lundahl. A few weeks later, Patricia Partin, Castaneda's adopted daughter as well as his lover, also disappeared. In February 2006, a skeleton found in Death Valley, Calif., was identified through DNA analysis as Partin's. Some former Castaneda associates suspect the missing women committed suicide"
Seems Carlos might have become a bit dark in his later years.
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Post by girlscout on Jan 9, 2019 13:52:20 GMT
Though there maybe some truth to Carlos and his teachings I politely caution folks. In my research I have come across this several times. "At the heart of Castaneda's movement was a group of intensely devoted women, all of whom were or had been his lovers. They were known as the witches, and two of them, Florinda Donner-Grau and Taisha Abelar, vanished the day after Castaneda's death, along with Cleargreen president Amalia Marquez and Tensegrity instructor Kylie Lundahl. A few weeks later, Patricia Partin, Castaneda's adopted daughter as well as his lover, also disappeared. In February 2006, a skeleton found in Death Valley, Calif., was identified through DNA analysis as Partin's. Some former Castaneda associates suspect the missing women committed suicide" Seems Carlos might have become a bit dark in his later years. Thanks Myka. Shaman Elder Maggie Wahls had little positive to say about Castaneda’s work, too. Labeling it fiction with a focus on the eras sexual revolution, mostly. I’d only read a couple of the books, so hadn’t heard of all the changes he may have gone through. i think I should “just be” and quit seeking at this point. Don’t I know enough now to take humane and more careful steps in my life now? =)
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