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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 1:16:07 GMT
This makes so much sense to me now. In the HyperUniverse, our Home, we simply KNOW and therefor have no use of experiences. So the whole theory of a Divine being exploring itself becomes mute. For your discernment.. . Bold is my doing.. ---------------- Now if someone asks: “Where does all this dyadic alternation lead?” The creator/ snake will answer: “To the acquisition of experience.” The Unuttered Father will answer back: “In the HyperUniverses of True Light, the experience of dyadic matter is utterly useless, because its properties are NONEXISTENT THERE.” And I, as a traveler coming from THERE, make this clear to you by giving you an example: “If a common man wants to study computer programming, how useful do you imagine knowledge of pottery would be to him?” Anagnostou - Kalogera, Angeliki. Can You Stand The Truth?: The Chronicle of Man's Imprisonment: Last Call! (p. 100). Angeliki Anagnostou - Kalogera. Kindle Edition. THAT IS a VERY POWERFUL QUOTE We made the same quote. EXACTLY. tribunilapulapu.freeforums.net/thread/333/experience-liehahaahah AMAZING!!! That reminded me of this Miron The Master said: James, behold, I shall reveal to you the path of your redemption. Whenever you are seized and you undergo death-pangs (mortal fear), a multitude of Archons may turn on you, thinking they can capture you. And in particular, three of them will seize you, those who pose as toll collectors. Not only do they demand toll, but they take away souls by theft. Now, when you come under their power, one of them who is the overseer will say to you: "Who are you, and where are you from?" You are then to say to him, "I am a child of humanity and I am from the Source." He will then say to you, "What sort of child are you, and to what Source do you belong?" You are to say to him, "I am from the pre-existent Source, and I am the offspring of the Source." Then he will say to you, "Why were you sent out from the Source?" Then you are to say to him, "I came from the Pre-existent One so that I might behold those of my kind and those who are alien." And he will say to you, "What are these alien beings?" You are to say to him: "They are not entirely alien, for they are from the Fallen Sophia (Achamoth), the female divinity who produced them when she brought the human race down from the Source, the realm of the Pre-Existent One. So they are not entirely alien, but they are our kin. They are indeed so because she who is their matrix, Sophia Achamoth, is from the Source. At the same time they are alien because Sophia did not combine with her like in the Source (her divine male counterpart), when she produced them." When he also says to you, "Where will you go now?" You are to say to him, "To the place when I came, the Source, there shall I return." And if you respond in this manner, you will escape their attacks. From the First Apocalypse of James.
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Post by ML on Aug 30, 2018 1:20:58 GMT
That reminded me of this Miron The Master said: James, behold, I shall reveal to you the path of your redemption. Whenever you are seized and you undergo death-pangs (mortal fear), a multitude of Archons may turn on you, thinking they can capture you. And in particular, three of them will seize you, those who pose as toll collectors. Not only do they demand toll, but they take away souls by theft. Now, when you come under their power, one of them who is the overseer will say to you: "Who are you, and where are you from?" You are then to say to him, "I am a child of humanity and I am from the Source." He will then say to you, "What sort of child are you, and to what Source do you belong?" You are to say to him, "I am from the pre-existent Source, and I am the offspring of the Source." Then he will say to you, "Why were you sent out from the Source?" Then you are to say to him, "I came from the Pre-existent One so that I might behold those of my kind and those who are alien." And he will say to you, "What are these alien beings?" You are to say to him: "They are not entirely alien, for they are from the Fallen Sophia (Achamoth), the female divinity who produced them when she brought the human race down from the Source, the realm of the Pre-Existent One. So they are not entirely alien, but they are our kin. They are indeed so because she who is their matrix, Sophia Achamoth, is from the Source. At the same time they are alien because Sophia did not combine with her like in the Source (her divine male counterpart), when she produced them." When he also says to you, "Where will you go now?" You are to say to him, "To the place when I came, the Source, there shall I return." And if you respond in this manner, you will escape their attacks. From the First Apocalypse of James. 1st time ive read this. Thanks Myka. looks to be of the same "baseline messsage" == This is how to assert ourselves upon separation from physical body. And there's no way to answer these questions if you dont 'remember' ( TRUTH). we must remember before body death. Thanks
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Post by Hans Schokkenbroek on Aug 30, 2018 7:19:55 GMT
That reminded me of this Miron The Master said: James, behold, I shall reveal to you the path of your redemption. Whenever you are seized and you undergo death-pangs (mortal fear), a multitude of Archons may turn on you, thinking they can capture you. And in particular, three of them will seize you, those who pose as toll collectors. Not only do they demand toll, but they take away souls by theft. Now, when you come under their power, one of them who is the overseer will say to you: "Who are you, and where are you from?" You are then to say to him, "I am a child of humanity and I am from the Source." He will then say to you, "What sort of child are you, and to what Source do you belong?" You are to say to him, "I am from the pre-existent Source, and I am the offspring of the Source." Then he will say to you, "Why were you sent out from the Source?" Then you are to say to him, "I came from the Pre-existent One so that I might behold those of my kind and those who are alien." And he will say to you, "What are these alien beings?" You are to say to him: "They are not entirely alien, for they are from the Fallen Sophia (Achamoth), the female divinity who produced them when she brought the human race down from the Source, the realm of the Pre-Existent One. So they are not entirely alien, but they are our kin. They are indeed so because she who is their matrix, Sophia Achamoth, is from the Source. At the same time they are alien because Sophia did not combine with her like in the Source (her divine male counterpart), when she produced them." When he also says to you, "Where will you go now?" You are to say to him, "To the place when I came, the Source, there shall I return." And if you respond in this manner, you will escape their attacks. From the First Apocalypse of James. 1st time ive read this. Thanks Myka. looks to be of the same "baseline messsage" == This is how to assert ourselves upon separation from physical body. And there's no way to answer these questions if you dont 'remember' ( TRUTH). we must remember before body death. Thanks The very same message from a different source which I happened to post yesterday. Maybe we should post these under a separate heading such as "How to get Home?" as this feels like very important info that all should know? I never liked "How to Escape the Matrix" by the way . Where have you come from?
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Post by Hans Schokkenbroek on Sept 11, 2018 8:10:07 GMT
99 THE SECRET BOOK OF DZYAN, ‘COSMIC EVOLUTION’, STANZA VII: «§ 7. This is thy present Wheel, said the Flame (The ‘I Am the Presence’) to the Spark (The Divine Spark). Thou art myself, my image, and my shadow. I have clothed myself in thee, and thou art my Vahan (my carrier/ vehicle) to the Day, ‘Be with us’, when thou shalt re-become myself and others, thyself and me.» If we compare this last point to the words of Christ ‘Love thy neighbor as thyself’, we’ll clearly understand that the REAL SELF of every man is SOLELY his UNIFIED Self.
Anagnostou - Kalogera, Angeliki. Can You Stand The Truth?: The Chronicle of Man's Imprisonment: Last Call! (p. 124). Angeliki Anagnostou - Kalogera. Kindle Edition.
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Post by ML on Sept 11, 2018 9:06:05 GMT
That reminded me of this Miron The Master said: James, behold, I shall reveal to you the path of your redemption. Whenever you are seized and you undergo death-pangs (mortal fear), a multitude of Archons may turn on you, thinking they can capture you. And in particular, three of them will seize you, those who pose as toll collectors. Not only do they demand toll, but they take away souls by theft. Now, when you come under their power, one of them who is the overseer will say to you: "Who are you, and where are you from?" You are then to say to him, "I am a child of humanity and I am from the Source." He will then say to you, "What sort of child are you, and to what Source do you belong?" You are to say to him, "I am from the pre-existent Source, and I am the offspring of the Source." Then he will say to you, "Why were you sent out from the Source?" Then you are to say to him, "I came from the Pre-existent One so that I might behold those of my kind and those who are alien." And he will say to you, "What are these alien beings?" You are to say to him: "They are not entirely alien, for they are from the Fallen Sophia (Achamoth), the female divinity who produced them when she brought the human race down from the Source, the realm of the Pre-Existent One. So they are not entirely alien, but they are our kin. They are indeed so because she who is their matrix, Sophia Achamoth, is from the Source. At the same time they are alien because Sophia did not combine with her like in the Source (her divine male counterpart), when she produced them." When he also says to you, "Where will you go now?" You are to say to him, "To the place when I came, the Source, there shall I return." And if you respond in this manner, you will escape their attacks. From the First Apocalypse of James. I re read it. and its more POWERFUL now! Thanks!
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Post by Hans Schokkenbroek on Sept 20, 2018 7:34:52 GMT
This is where the New Agers are being fooled in my view. Everyone working for an ascension to the 4th or 5th dimension. It is all part of this realm and therefor energy and NOT part of the True Light.
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But if man imagines the material world he lives in to be a gift of the God/ Father, he will never ask to be filled with Spirit, since he will not consider that to be important. All the so-called ‘initiation’ procedures, or ‘karma restitution techniques’, concern the first choice of the souls (to stay inside the material universe), and all these souls will ever accomplish is their eternal enslavement.
Anagnostou - Kalogera, Angeliki. Can You Stand The Truth?: The Chronicle of Man's Imprisonment: Last Call! (p. 146). Angeliki Anagnostou - Kalogera. Kindle Edition.
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Post by girlscout on Oct 9, 2018 11:31:27 GMT
Through reincarnation, man is degraded more and more in relation to his Spiritual part. P213. Am I doomed, then? Having been here for so very many lives?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 13:24:53 GMT
Through reincarnation, man is degraded more and more in relation to his Spiritual part. P213. Am I doomed, then? Having been here for so very many lives? I don't think you need to take this too literal girlscout What she meant I guess is that by reincarnating time after time, we started to be more and more submerged into the material plane, causing us to disconnect more and more from our spiritual. I don't think she meant that we are doomed to be stuck here forever. It just took for all of us to finally wake up at the correct time (the endtimes we are in now) and grow spiritually.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 15:04:01 GMT
Through reincarnation, man is degraded more and more in relation to his Spiritual part. P213. Am I doomed, then? Having been here for so very many lives? I don't think you need to take this too literal girlscout What she meant I guess is that by reincarnating time after time, we started to be more and more submerged into the material plane, causing us to disconnect more and more from our spiritual. I don't think she meant that we are doomed to be stuck here forever. It just took for all of us to finally wake up at the correct time (the endtimes we are in now) and grow spiritually. I think what is scary Blossom is she also mentioned a kind of selling of the soul for each new appearance here on earth. One loses power from the spiritual body/soul each time gradually depleting it's energy. I guess that is why we should not treasure life on planet earth in a human body. There is a price to be paid.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 15:56:36 GMT
I don't think you need to take this too literal girlscout What she meant I guess is that by reincarnating time after time, we started to be more and more submerged into the material plane, causing us to disconnect more and more from our spiritual. I don't think she meant that we are doomed to be stuck here forever. It just took for all of us to finally wake up at the correct time (the endtimes we are in now) and grow spiritually. I think what is scary Blossom is she also mentioned a kind of selling of the soul for each new appearance here on earth. One loses power from the spiritual body/soul each time gradually depleting it's energy. I guess that is why we should not treasure life on planet earth in a human body. There is a price to be paid. Yeah I agree. It kind of reminds me of what JVP wrote, that there are 'sins' that remain attached to our soul when we die and that these cause us to reincarnate, so maybe he meant the same as this 'selling of the soul'. That's why I guess it's crucial that we connect as much as we can with our higher self (F&M) and work on all negative emotions in us and indeed as you say not treasure 'life' on this planet.
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Post by girlscout on Oct 9, 2018 16:50:00 GMT
I don't think you need to take this too literal girlscout What she meant I guess is that by reincarnating time after time, we started to be more and more submerged into the material plane, causing us to disconnect more and more from our spiritual. I don't think she meant that we are doomed to be stuck here forever. It just took for all of us to finally wake up at the correct time (the endtimes we are in now) and grow spiritually. I think what is scary Blossom is she also mentioned a kind of selling of the soul for each new appearance here on earth. One loses power from the spiritual body/soul each time gradually depleting it's energy. I guess that is why we should not treasure life on planet earth in a human body. There is a price to be paid. But DOES it make us grow?!? With the simulations that have been thrown at me - I ended up like a zombie - and so easily programmable!! =( I had to have assistance to model the tending to character - and it took > 30 years to sink in!! (I was a zombie for FAR TOO LONG)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 19:09:12 GMT
I think what is scary Blossom is she also mentioned a kind of selling of the soul for each new appearance here on earth. One loses power from the spiritual body/soul each time gradually depleting it's energy. I guess that is why we should not treasure life on planet earth in a human body. There is a price to be paid. But DOES it make us grow?!? With the simulations that have been thrown at me - I ended up like a zombie - and so easily programmable!! =( I had to have assistance to model the tending to character - and it took > 30 years to sink in!! (I was a zombie for FAR TOO LONG) One of JVP's opening sentences in his first book I believe is "There is something very wrong with this world". I agree. I have done an 180 degree turn on my earlier beliefs as I digest more of Angeliki's writings. What I am about to say may seem depressing to some but I am not at all depressed. The words are a combination of JVP and Angelki's thoughts that have prompted me add my own, rather crude but unoriginal twist. One can look at the world and think it is beautiful. Some of the beauty can be found in colors but colors are not even real. Lower the light and you see them fade to shades of gray and black. What looks good can later look creepy. Walk deep into that beautiful forest at night alone and you will understand. We are forced to kill other lifeforms to nourish our avatars. There is no real choice. One can take the more gentle route and try living on a plant based diet and I totally respect that but you still are eating other lifeforms and getting full nutrition on a plant based diet can be difficult. Now vegetation itself depends on the decay and death of previous vegetation for it's own survival. The plants and trees then are themselves a form of fungus growing out of the decayed matter. So now after we eat said plants and other living things what do we do? We poop them out in the most disgusting of ways. Modern toilets may create the sanitary illusion but in the end it becomes someone else's problem further down the line. Eventually what was a living thing is now smelly waste to be converted to the soil (rot) that continues the cycle over and over again. Energy that has been now downgraded instead of uplifted. Then we are gifted with a short temporary (Earth)life. Some of us might have been attractive in our younger years only to see that removed and replaced with inferior looks. By 60 your joints might get stiff and you realize you are far past your prime when you looked great, when you could run and jump, when others found you attractive. My now deceased grandmother lived with us for her last few years. At age 90 she looked in the mirror and told me she looks like a monster now. Gifted with beauty then it is stolen. We look forward to retirement why? You basically are entering the last years before death after slaving away for survival. JC said "this is not my father's world." I agree. It a world full of pain, loss and false hope. A world that gifts with faux love, a world that takes far more than if gives. By design of course. To those that have sold their souls this is a playground of wonder and abundance. (even the abundant in the end pay though). When one finally has no more expectations or Earthy desires and understands the nature of this world they can then begin to live in peace. This is the bottom of the barrel of life and awareness. We somehow were hijacked and we try to find our way out. When the grim reaper knocks on the door laugh at him. Fear is a byproduct of this life in matter. If you don't care you won't fear.
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Post by ML on Oct 10, 2018 1:05:17 GMT
But DOES it make us grow?!? With the simulations that have been thrown at me - I ended up like a zombie - and so easily programmable!! =( I had to have assistance to model the tending to character - and it took > 30 years to sink in!! (I was a zombie for FAR TOO LONG) One of JVP's opening sentences in his first book I believe is "There is something very wrong with this world". I agree. I have done an 180 degree turn on my earlier beliefs as I digest more of Angeliki's writings. What I am about to say may seem depressing to some but I am not at all depressed. The words are a combination of JVP and Angelki's thoughts that have prompted me add my own, rather crude but unoriginal twist. One can look at the world and think it is beautiful. Some of the beauty can be found in colors but colors are not even real. Lower the light and you see them fade to shades of gray and black. What looks good can later look creepy. Walk deep into that beautiful forest at night alone and you will understand. We are forced to kill other lifeforms to nourish our avatars. There is no real choice. One can take the more gentle route and try living on a plant based diet and I totally respect that but you still are eating other lifeforms and getting full nutrition on a plant based diet can be difficult. Now vegetation itself depends on the decay and death of previous vegetation for it's own survival. The plants and trees then are themselves a form of fungus growing out of the decayed matter. So now after we eat said plants and other living things what do we do? We poop them out in the most disgusting of ways. Modern toilets may create the sanitary illusion but in the end it becomes someone else's problem further down the line. Eventually what was a living thing is now smelly waste to be converted to the soil (rot) that continues the cycle over and over again. Energy that has been now downgraded instead of uplifted. Then we are gifted with a short temporary (Earth)life. Some of us might have been attractive in our younger years only to see that removed and replaced with inferior looks. By 60 your joints might get stiff and you realize you are far past your prime when you looked great, when you could run and jump, when others found you attractive. My now deceased grandmother lived with us for her last few years. At age 90 she looked in the mirror and told me she looks like a monster now. Gifted with beauty then it is stolen. We look forward to retirement why? You basically are entering the last years before death after slaving away for survival. JC said "this is not my father's world." I agree. It a world full of pain, loss and false hope. A world that gifts with faux love, a world that takes far more than if gives. By design of course. To those that have sold their souls this is a playground of wonder and abundance. (even the abundant in the end pay though). When one finally has no more expectations or Earthy desires and understands the nature of this world they can then begin to live in peace. This is the bottom of the barrel of life and awareness. We somehow were hijacked and we try to find our way out. When the grim reaper knocks on the door laugh at him. Fear is a byproduct of this life in matter. If you don't care you won't fear. AMAZING!! AMAZING post Myka! you are a new being, much of you have come out... you are luminous. Thank you!
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Post by ML on Oct 10, 2018 2:41:42 GMT
My brother Ninurta, you are responding here to Myka about life in a body here on earth. I politely disagree...completely. Body Life here on earth ends .. and if you are not 'awake' then your whole memory from the Physical all the way to your soul gets zapped like a harddisk drive. the life that you've had is actually gone... yeah it is still in what they call 'akashic' records but that is no longer you. you the spirit gets into another 'soul' that our captor prepared for you... without any memory ( amnesia ).. that will be your new personality. LIFE HERE WILL NOT..i repeat WILL NOThelp us grow spiritualy. our job is to re-member.. meaning seek the truth. pls excuse the big font my brother its just for theatrical lol love you Ninurts!!
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Post by IW on Oct 10, 2018 5:08:37 GMT
For some the new age mentality is impossible to break out of. Everything is "God" and everything needs to be necessary and valuable, whether it's because of experience for the Queen's benefit, or to try and make life more bearable.
Myka's right, everything in this existence, degrades us, as we are taking part in the downward spin.
If it matters not that you will be compressed to nothingness, than this is the "growth" you seek. and yes, you will return back to source, and then start over, so in that -it won't be a waste.
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Post by Henrik on Oct 10, 2018 7:39:06 GMT
First rule of the game: there is no game. Second rule of the game: this is SERIOUS BUSYNESS. Third rule of the game: what game? Be serious now! Let me see your face, has it a regular frown or upside down frown?
Many new-agers takes their stuff WAAAAAY to seriously, as you say -> everything "is God" and therefore everything is "valuable" and everything is "serious" -> totalt relativism. Which fits nicely with the mainstream "post-modernist" thinking... stupid term, lol
If we could all learn to be less serious, I think the world would be so much easier for everyone. Less sirius, plz
Edit: ...or maybe I've just been AlanWatterized for the time being, but it lifts the spirits, haha. Like a child you can easily jump into different characters and scenes fluidly, just because you are not yet your "identity"
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Post by IW on Oct 10, 2018 8:58:23 GMT
It's true, you can walk along, run, go horseback riding, laughing and screaming. or go crying, beating your chest, crawling among the wormies.
You make your circumstances for your enjoyment or however you see fit.
Mainly though the point is to be authentic in all ways, whether its seriously playing, or playing serious.
I am (as I choose to be).
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Post by girlscout on Oct 10, 2018 16:49:49 GMT
"Miron_Lang Hi gs. yeah i agree. your inner being tells you whats true. just because i say things that seems oposite of what you say does not mean what you believe is not true.... it is true and you make it true... we are all unique thanks gs" Thanks Miron - yes we are all unique. Still working on inner connection. Too much of a habit to be unconnected, I need to solidify my connected feeling daily. =)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 23:50:44 GMT
I often read here "I need to work on myself". Personally I still want to educate myself but I'm done working. I give up on myself. I quit and I feel good that I quit. Just saying ya know.
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Post by IW on Oct 12, 2018 13:57:18 GMT
I totally get what you're saying Myka, and I agree that the "working on myself" in the self- improvement or working towards a goal of betterment is not something necessary. It does feel great to let it all hang out giving in or giving up or like the mountain lion who's completely, satisfyingly fed and wants to take a very long nap! I say this often here and to myself, that I do need to work on myself. This statement has more to do with Self Awareness in everyday life. The being conscious, in the NOW, that makes life something alive!Working, chores, sleeping etc, most of daily living is not this, and most can go on automatic through 99.5% of "life". But like in the Mr. Goddard site, if we are not aware, and consciously making the dark areas of our own being in the light or in the conscious (therefore it stays UNconscious and UNaware) this is where we will FAIL. Our physicality wants us to be lazy, letting things stay hidden, but to do this "work" is for me anyways, an absolute must! And it's like chipping into a giant block of ice, tiny bit by tiny bit, until all of me is conscious and aware.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 22:23:15 GMT
But DOES it make us grow?!? With the simulations that have been thrown at me - I ended up like a zombie - and so easily programmable!! =( I had to have assistance to model the tending to character - and it took > 30 years to sink in!! (I was a zombie for FAR TOO LONG) One of JVP's opening sentences in his first book I believe is "There is something very wrong with this world". I agree. I have done an 180 degree turn on my earlier beliefs as I digest more of Angeliki's writings. What I am about to say may seem depressing to some but I am not at all depressed. The words are a combination of JVP and Angelki's thoughts that have prompted me add my own, rather crude but unoriginal twist. One can look at the world and think it is beautiful. Some of the beauty can be found in colors but colors are not even real. Lower the light and you see them fade to shades of gray and black. What looks good can later look creepy. Walk deep into that beautiful forest at night alone and you will understand. We are forced to kill other lifeforms to nourish our avatars. There is no real choice. One can take the more gentle route and try living on a plant based diet and I totally respect that but you still are eating other lifeforms and getting full nutrition on a plant based diet can be difficult. Now vegetation itself depends on the decay and death of previous vegetation for it's own survival. The plants and trees then are themselves a form of fungus growing out of the decayed matter. So now after we eat said plants and other living things what do we do? We poop them out in the most disgusting of ways. Modern toilets may create the sanitary illusion but in the end it becomes someone else's problem further down the line. Eventually what was a living thing is now smelly waste to be converted to the soil (rot) that continues the cycle over and over again. Energy that has been now downgraded instead of uplifted. Then we are gifted with a short temporary (Earth)life. Some of us might have been attractive in our younger years only to see that removed and replaced with inferior looks. By 60 your joints might get stiff and you realize you are far past your prime when you looked great, when you could run and jump, when others found you attractive. My now deceased grandmother lived with us for her last few years. At age 90 she looked in the mirror and told me she looks like a monster now. Gifted with beauty then it is stolen. We look forward to retirement why? You basically are entering the last years before death after slaving away for survival. JC said "this is not my father's world." I agree. It a world full of pain, loss and false hope. A world that gifts with faux love, a world that takes far more than if gives. By design of course. To those that have sold their souls this is a playground of wonder and abundance. (even the abundant in the end pay though). When one finally has no more expectations or Earthy desires and understands the nature of this world they can then begin to live in peace. This is the bottom of the barrel of life and awareness. We somehow were hijacked and we try to find our way out. When the grim reaper knocks on the door laugh at him. Fear is a byproduct of this life in matter. If you don't care you won't fear. I get what you are saying here. This reminds me of a rather idyllic day when I was sitting with two friends by a river in Surrey about ten years ago. There were two pristine white swans swimming down the river. One of my friends remarked how beautiful nature was, to which I responded (knowing that there were also foxes in the area) "until a fox comes along and then, blood on the water". Obviously they looked at me askance, but that is the reality. I guess the point is that the fox is just following its instincts (or programming) so it is actually no worse or better than the swan who is also just following its instincts (or programming). About a week ago I watched the movie Hold the Dark, which portrayed a particular man as having wolf like qualities. I felt that the point the makers of the movie were trying to make was similar to what I have said above. Both the man and the wolves were following their instincts (or programming). That is not to say that I think that things should be like this or that it is a necessary part of our experience. I personally think that it is as a result of rogue programming (as proposed by Philip Goddard) and perhaps actual programming if we are in a simulation or a re-enactment type scenario (either designed to jolt us out of our illusion or to figure out what has gone wrong) or both (perhaps in order to fix 'the game' so to speak). A lot of things have happened around me since I started researching, mainly related to animals (the latest being the highly improbable arrival of a tree top surfing, bird eating, genet in our garden), which causes me to feel that they are very much puppets at the mercy of their instincts (or programming) and perhaps external manipulation. Perhaps we need to 'hold the dark', as in not seeing it as something alien to or worse than ourselves. If we do that we are in the positive polarity. As per the quote from Jon Depew "energy is cancelled when positive and negative meet".
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Post by Hans Schokkenbroek on Nov 6, 2018 12:19:07 GMT
Human theories and material life in general, taught man nothing about the quest for the Divine Spirit inside him, but only how to focus onto his material (outer) presence. Thus, ordinary man never learned to Love the Spiritual fellow-Man –since he never knew him– but only his material form and its emotional (astral) manifestations.
494 Gospel Of Thomas, Jean Yves Leloup: «§ 101. (Jesus says) Whoever does not hate his father and his mother in My way, shall not be able to become a Disciple to Me. And whoever does [not] love his [Father] and his Mother in My way, shall not be able to become a [Disciple to] Me. For My mother [bore My body], yet [My] True [Mother] gave Me the life.» [Eng. tr. Joseph Rowe]
Anagnostou - Kalogera, Angeliki. Can You Stand The Truth?: The Chronicle of Man's Imprisonment: Last Call! (p. 444). Angeliki Anagnostou - Kalogera. Kindle Edition.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 22:35:21 GMT
I'm not sure if she realizes what moral void she creates with such statements. 1 ) Was she present there to talk about Christ as a child (she means Jesus I suppose, which is not necessary the same...)? 2 ) If we say that some are just "shells" and not "real people", so we can just release our wrath on them, or maybe other things also... how we can act any more as moral creatures? The idea about morality comes from the idea that we have something in common. We are part of the same "thing". It may be spiritual, or even materialistic, and often extend to animals. But if we label some as "soulless" what does it mean any more for how we should treat "it"?
This is really not an unique theory (that some people are NPCs). I personally think it's an interesting phenomenon of "seeing yourself from the outside". I.e. most people can't realize how mechanic they are, how predictable, how egoistic. And that this is just part of our physical nature. But when they see it in another person, it's much more easier to judge. There are a lot of nasty people, but IMO - the situation is far from "black and white", and if someone thinks that he/she can put the line who is "real", and who is "a shell"... well that's a "guru" I don't want to be around...
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Post by Henrik on Nov 27, 2019 8:44:01 GMT
I'm not sure if she realizes what moral void she creates with such statements. 1 ) Was she present there to talk about Christ as a child (she means Jesus I suppose, which is not necessary the same...)? 2 ) If we say that some are just "shells" and not "real people", so we can just release our wrath on them, or maybe other things also... how we can act any more as moral creatures? The idea about morality comes from the idea that we have something in common. We are part of the same "thing". It may be spiritual, or even materialistic, and often extend to animals. But if we label some as "soulless" what does it mean any more for how we should treat "it"? This is really not an unique theory (that some people are NPCs). I personally think it's an interesting phenomenon of "seeing yourself from the outside". I.e. most people can't realize how mechanic they are, how predictable, how egoistic. And that this is just part of our physical nature. But when they see it in another person, it's much more easier to judge. There are a lot of nasty people, but IMO - the situation is far from "black and white", and if someone thinks that he/she can put the line who is "real", and who is "a shell"... well that's a "guru" I don't want to be around... Fair points and important to consider in regards to implications for what this theory and "moral void" may signal to different people, some people might jump on this and extract just the parts they want for their own "benefit", which may be nefarious. Separating or differentiating between people is a decidedly dangerous precedent, but so is ignoring apparent differences. There is a middle ground, life is not right extreme or left extreme. Personally (meaning for me) there is no moral void here. I understand all people have implicit rights as actors in nature, and my own mindscape and consequently actions also help define my moral non-void. I've been through so many theories and never have I "started doing bad shit" to people I view as different, quite contrary. Throughout the process, and before, I've gained more and more trust in myself, and as a consequence, in other people as well, regardless of the exotic theories coursing through my mindscape. Morality is so much more than words and ideas just passing in the mind, in each person. All philosophy is dangerous because it has widespread implications for everything else, even if it seems intangible, it is the basis of thought and action, and so it is very tangible. Even if it is unspoken and unknown on a conscious level, then maybe even more so. Therefore it may be pertinent to bring philosophy from the unspoken and unconscious into the spoken, where it may be identified, and studied in regards to ones own action and thought and re-shaped, for the better. Of course, this is dangerous, because some/many? are trained to act and think like they are and may just do whatever they do out of routine, give them a real choice, what will they do? How can we know? We cannot, we can only trust in ourselves and the otherself and hope for the best, which in the end is the only real choice we have, if we boil it down to scratch. I should wrap this up: good point! Definitions and consequent perspectives must be regarded from several angles to reveal an idea's or a word's many meanings to help communicate the proper message. In this case, we would not want a moral void to be the lasting implications of said theory. All people are people. People have different abilities. Use whatever abilities you have to {insert meta, hoping for a "positive" here}
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 17:56:15 GMT
"extract just the parts they want for their own benefit"
It's not "extraction" at all, it's much bigger problem. Just take examples from the real world. We eat animals and put them through terrible conditions. Why? Since they don't have a soul, right? Are they even "alive"? Are they any different then a tree or a rock? It's not "some people" at all, it's the whole society, to a degree that only "some people" actually think about it, and even fewer do something about it.
BTW, this is also exactly the way the bloodlines, the so called "elite" view the humanity. They think people are cattle. This is also how many so called Christians/Muslims view people from other religions. Well, you will go to hell anyway. This is so common, everyday problem, you don't even must understand morality beyond everyday life...
Only fake philosophy is dangerous, and sadly most of it is fake. I'm tired of self-proclaimed charlatans, but sadly, this is the situation today.
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Post by ML on Nov 30, 2019 1:33:10 GMT
"extract just the parts they want for their own benefit" It's not "extraction" at all, it's much bigger problem. Just take examples from the real world. We eat animals and put them through terrible conditions. Why? Since they don't have a soul, right? Are they even "alive"? Are they any different then a tree or a rock? It's not "some people" at all, it's the whole society, to a degree that only "some people" actually think about it, and even fewer do something about it. BTW, this is also exactly the way the bloodlines, the so called "elite" view the humanity. They think people are cattle. This is also how many so called Christians/Muslims view people from other religions. Well, you will go to hell anyway. This is so common, everyday problem, you don't even must understand morality beyond everyday life... Only fake philosophy is dangerous, and sadly most of it is fake. I'm tired of self-proclaimed charlatans, but sadly, this is the situation today. Very logical post. Thanks. You sound very familiar to me. Do you have a yt channel? Thanks Interim
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