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Post by ML on Aug 17, 2018 11:03:07 GMT
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Post by IW on Aug 19, 2018 13:54:42 GMT
Thanks for typing/pasting it out Miron!
My heart has told me this/confirmed this since I was a child. I think a lot of us can feel this in truth, that these "life" experiences do NOT help us as some say in ascension or for wisdom. All we needed we had before we fell here and like ducky and others say it's a matter of remembering.
I feel that part of the trauma of being here is that we do/ are able to lose parts of ourselves subconsciously through the AIF or deceptions, but we don't consciously know it, since the connection isn't there to KNOW yet. This creates a lot of confusion and a feeling of helplessness, which then (IMO) creates the need to feel like our experiences, pains, ARE necessary. We grasp at straws to understand the pains of living here.
It might be my empath sense, but sometimes when I look at people's lives around me, I sense the drowning desparations...people do not know what to do, and can't think what to do, and continue doing the same things that don't work and will never work.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 17:50:20 GMT
Thanks for typing/pasting it out Miron! My heart has told me this/confirmed this since I was a child. I think a lot of us can feel this in truth, that these "life" experiences do NOT help us as some say in ascension or for wisdom. All we needed we had before we fell here and like ducky and others say it's a matter of remembering. I feel that part of the trauma of being here is that we do/ are able to lose parts ofI ourselves subconsciously through the AIF or deceptions, but we don't consciously know it, since the connection isn't there to KNOW yet. This creates a lot of confusion and a feeling of helplessness, which then (IMO) creates the need to feel like our experiences, pains, ARE necessary. We grasp at straws to understand the pains of living here. It might be my empath sense, but sometimes when I look at people's lives around me, I sense the drowning desparations...people do not know what to do, and can't think what to do, and continue doing the same things that don't work and will never work. But what if there is nothing to remember? What if we already have the wisdom? I look around like you and see most of us live mundane lives when we should soar. One of the few myths that make sense to me is that we are the experiment of the Aeon Sophia who embodies this planet. No photo from space has shown me a planet more beautiful. (of course mankind does his best to destroy and plunder) If so then this would be a real existence and yes we would be a project of sorts. Convincing folks they are living in a demonic false reality is not working for me. Living in a reality under attack is. Our enemies created upon her impact into the solar system do the best they can from keeping her experiment from being a success. Archons imitate and deceive as they are parasitic mind invaders obsessed with ruining Sophia's dream. More and more I believe that those who complicate the nature of our being despite best intentions are themselves deceived. A lifetime of learning is a lifetime of not understanding. We are children of the Aeons and there has been a continued attack against us as we battle for freedom in this artificially created system of control aimed to keep us from being who we really should be. That is their goal. Ours is to fly.
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Post by IW on Aug 19, 2018 19:06:51 GMT
There might not be anything for you to remember, and possibly your purpose here is different than mine just as your reality is different.
I am not trying and am making NO attempt to convince anyone, I feel no one is really doing that here, although many of your posts it sounds as if you are convinced that this is what this forum is doing? Used as a convincing tool to push you around?
Why would you think that it's either or? Not both? (remembering/not remembering) Who is confusing and complicating the nature of "our" being? The "experts" of which I know none? The growing population of truthers? People are all on many various levels of awakening ----this alone can be confusing and complicated.
You might have been doing this process for decades but not all have that going on or knows where one is at?
I never claim to have an answer for all, or wisdom that tops anyone. I just speak from my heart, sharing bits that empower or moves me.
You might spend your time thinking the forum or "those in the Know" as ninurta4 puts it are themselves deceived, but we are here at the forum knowing this for the most part and bringing ourselves out of that "wherever we are currently" (in deception)..
This is not about a lifetime of learning, or about understanding. It is only about knowing. You can know for yourself and it's everyone's right here at this forum to also know for themselves what their truth is.
Do you feel that this forum is full of "know it alls" or "big egos" getting a kick?quote
""Truth seeking/forums etc can be an ego driven experience for some. One could have the "look at me I'm smart, read it all and know near everything about this spiritual truth seeking stuff syndrome" LOL. ""
This is discouraging to those that want to share and have some commonality. Is this forum trivial and useless? That's going to far, but I find it so much more effective, to do the take what resonates and leave the rest, as opposed to criticizing and creating doubt about what this forum is or who's doing what.
I find this forum useful in so many ways and it has nothing to do with any perceptions others may have of me. I posted that story last week and felt very apprehensive about the posting. I read it with excitement and GLEE, it was an awesome story that I related to on many levels BUT I thought gosh it seems like a "romance" novel and that would be weird on the forum. I posted it anyhow, sometimes you have to push past yourself.
THAT is the best part of this forum, being able to conquer bit by bit those "other" thoughts and be free to be you.
I think judgments towards others is what is useless bunk here. Only a true dummy would come to a -theories of life- forum and act like they have the answers! (that ain't me btw)...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 20:48:34 GMT
There might not be anything for you to remember, and possibly your purpose here is different than mine just as your reality is different. I am not trying and am making NO attempt to convince anyone, I feel no one is really doing that here, although many of your posts it sounds as if you are convinced that this is what this forum is doing? Used as a convincing tool to push you around? Why would you think that it's either or? Not both? (remembering/not remembering) Who is confusing and complicating the nature of "our" being? The "experts" of which I know none? The growing population of truthers? People are all on many various levels of awakening ----this alone can be confusing and complicated. You might have been doing this process for decades but not all have that going on or knows where one is at? I never claim to have an answer for all, or wisdom that tops anyone. I just speak from my heart, sharing bits that empower or moves me. You might spend your time thinking the forum or "those in the Know" as ninurta4 puts it are themselves deceived, but we are here at the forum knowing this for the most part and bringing ourselves out of that "wherever we are currently" (in deception).. This is not about a lifetime of learning, or about understanding. It is only about knowing. You can know for yourself and it's everyone's right here at this forum to also know for themselves what their truth is. Do you feel that this forum is full of "know it alls" or "big egos" getting a kick?quote ""Truth seeking/forums etc can be an ego driven experience for some. One could have the "look at me I'm smart, read it all and know near everything about this spiritual truth seeking stuff syndrome" LOL. "" This is discouraging to those that want to share and have some commonality. Is this forum trivial and useless? That's going to far, but I find it so much more effective, to do the take what resonates and leave the rest, as opposed to criticizing and creating doubt about what this forum is or who's doing what. I find this forum useful in so many ways and it has nothing to do with any perceptions others may have of me. I posted that story last week and felt very apprehensive about the posting. I read it with excitement and GLEE, it was an awesome story that I related to on many levels BUT I thought gosh it seems like a "romance" novel and that would be weird on the forum. I posted it anyhow, sometimes you have to push past yourself. THAT is the best part of this forum, being able to conquer bit by bit those "other" thoughts and be free to be you. I think judgments towards others is what is useless bunk here. Only a true dummy would come to a -theories of life- forum and act like they have the answers! (that ain't me btw)... Actually my words do not apply to you or anyone on the forum wome. If anything they are directed to some the "known" teachers that like I said may have good intentions. My reply to you was more of a question in general and not meant to be critical though I see how it could be taken that way. My apologies
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Post by Myka on Aug 19, 2018 22:16:26 GMT
I see the anger and I feel it is best I go. My words were my thoughts not criticism. It's what comes to me. Never was it a personal attack or aimed at any individual. Wome you are angry and I am sorry for any part of it I contributed to. I love you all really and wish you well. I have never done well a group person and it's obvious I still don't. I wish you all the best.
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Post by IW on Aug 19, 2018 22:36:53 GMT
Myka it isn't anger, although I don't mince words, so I can come off strong. I really do think you have tons to offer, although I also feel your "limitedness" in this forum setting.
I so wish the whole sensitivity issue could go away. In any case I'm sorry if I hurt or offended you, no intentions in that direction (I feel you aware of that).
This forum or anything in life here, it is what you make it, what your perceptions are. It can trip someone up or lift someone up.
Who knows maybe I'm the one that needs to go??
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Post by IW on Aug 19, 2018 22:59:13 GMT
Maybe Wes is right about the whole fragmented soul thing, although I think the soul is a construct of this physicality.
Are we all so fragile and traumatized that any thought process done here is to be seen as a personal attack?
I defended myka in the other thread pertaining to Ariel, that we are allowed to think freely and to not have to worry about how many people will take it the wrong way (as Ariel did before her deletion). But is that an impossibility?
I might put out opinions that are intense, but that's all it is (an intense opinion).
Hugs to myka <3 Hugs to ninurta4 Hugs to Ariel..
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Post by ML on Aug 20, 2018 4:50:55 GMT
Maybe Wes is right about the whole fragmented soul thing, although I think the soul is a construct of this physicality. I agree with Wes. Fragmented soul are the cause of 'reactive'/Triggers...part of the Soul is anchored on a particular trauma. Hugs to you guys... I hope they reconsider.
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Post by girlscout on Aug 20, 2018 5:09:37 GMT
Seems to me we are so unaccustomed to community, we’ve lost the giving of the benefit of the doubt. OR, we trigger and act before asking question that could clarify. Sad. Maybe this is simply the “Age of Individuals”. Ran across this from one of Barbara’s posts: www.clarity-of-being.org/glossary.htm#ungrounded__weakly_groundedwhich gives me pause, and prompts me to focus on the physical, in a grounding effort. Phillip Goddard finds vulnerability to attacks are common when we’re weakly grounded. i found it worthy of more thought. =)
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Post by IW on Aug 20, 2018 19:34:59 GMT
Being human sucks.
There is a joy of living that can embody us, fill us to overflowing, lighten the load we all carry where ever we are.
That joy is not me, it's not other people, it cannot be found anywhere except within. But once found it can be shared and expounded upon.
This human body has no interest in that and so the struggle goes on.
We could stay individual and isolated, life for many is mostly that already. The Mother and Father completes us so we can live in fullness no matter where or what the situation, but like myka has said we're still kiddos so that becomes the process of realization.
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Post by ML on Aug 21, 2018 0:33:27 GMT
Being human sucks. There is a joy of living that can embody us, fill us to overflowing, lighten the load we all carry where ever we are. That joy is not me, it's not other people, it cannot be found anywhere except within. But once found it can be shared and expounded upon. This human body has no interest in that and so the struggle goes on. We could stay individual and isolated, life for many is mostly that already. The Mother and Father completes us so we can live in fullness no matter where or what the situation, but like myka has said we're still kiddos so that becomes the process of realization. I agree. We compete againts the body. And we must win all the time.
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Post by Barbara on Aug 21, 2018 23:24:53 GMT
I couldn't read the original post due to being a guest and not having the ability to view attachments.
I wouldn't say that We are here to EXPERIENCE is a lie, but I do agree that in the particular circumstance we find ourselves in we are not only here to experience. We all have different roles, which help us (and others) along in our process.
I didn't think that Myka's post was aimed at anyone in particular. It was just an in the moment observation. I for one own up to ego in some instances. I am sure that she and Ninurta4 will return if they feel the need.
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Post by EX on Aug 22, 2018 1:40:46 GMT
I couldn't read the original post due to being a guest and not having the ability to view attachments. I wouldn't say that We are here to EXPERIENCE is a lie, but I do agree that in the particular circumstance we find ourselves in we are not only here to experience. We all have different roles, which help us (and others) along in our process. I didn't think that Myka's post was aimed at anyone in particular. It was just an in the moment observation. I for one own up to ego in some instances. I am sure that she and Ninurta4 will return if they feel the need. Nothing was ever personal so it is confusing to me the reaction. Be you, There is no other, You really do not need "them". All is inside not outside. Most teachers seem to teach confusion. "You" are the "One" Be you, be "the one". A lifetime of studying is a lifetime of not helping Please be you, please help.
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Post by ML on Aug 22, 2018 1:49:32 GMT
when i say the 'the body' i mean the reaction/emotions that automatically ignites thus we call it 'triggers'.
That's what happened here on all concerned individuals.
the triggers are there but its not our own doing... the 'provocation' was there but still its not our own doing...there are deeper and more sinister power at play here.
controlling these triggers by knowing them is very helpful.
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Post by Barbara on Aug 23, 2018 4:41:37 GMT
I couldn't read the original post due to being a guest and not having the ability to view attachments. I wouldn't say that We are here to EXPERIENCE is a lie, but I do agree that in the particular circumstance we find ourselves in we are not only here to experience. We all have different roles, which help us (and others) along in our process. I didn't think that Myka's post was aimed at anyone in particular. It was just an in the moment observation. I for one own up to ego in some instances. I am sure that she and Ninurta4 will return if they feel the need. Nothing was ever personal so it is confusing to me the reaction. Be you, There is no other, You really do not need "them". All is inside not outside. Most teachers seem to teach confusion. "You" are the "One" Be you, be "the one". A lifetime of studying is a lifetime of not helping Please be you, please help. I agree, teachers teach confusion. To just 'be' (without belief) is very important, but more important is to not think about going anywhere when you die, not to heaven, not ascending, not down into the earth, not to source, not to the mother/father, not attempting to get through 'a hole in the grid', whatever. To my way of thinking we are consciousness (not unconsciousness) experiencing 3D. When we die we just cease to experience 3D (and should know who we are), unless we allow our awareness (consciousness) to be pulled back into a body (walking the dead). There may of course be mothers, fathers, dimensions, whatever, but we do not know for sure, so best to steer clear, given the many versions of mother, father, dimensions, etc. Case in point, 'our father who art in heaven'.
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Post by ML on Aug 23, 2018 5:03:24 GMT
Nothing was ever personal so it is confusing to me the reaction. Be you, There is no other, You really do not need "them". All is inside not outside. Most teachers seem to teach confusion. "You" are the "One" Be you, be "the one". A lifetime of studying is a lifetime of not helping Please be you, please help. I agree, teachers teach confusion. To just 'be' (without belief) is very important, but more important is to not think about going anywhere when you die, not to heaven, not ascending, not down into the earth, not to source, not to the mother/father, not attempting to get through 'a hole in the grid', whatever. To my way of thinking we are consciousness (not unconsciousness) experiencing 3D. When we die we just cease to experience 3D (and should know who we are), unless we allow our awareness (consciousness) to be pulled back into a body (walking the dead). There may of course be mothers, fathers, dimensions, whatever, but we do not know for sure, so best to steer clear, given the many versions of mother, father, dimensions, etc. Case in point, 'our father who art in heaven'. That is wonderful and i agree. we do pick up so many mistakes from teachers. Simple things that teacher might complicate. we should be our own teacher... having said that.. teachers have their use too... in my case for example. I was very fortunate to have a friend who was ahead of me in Computer Programming... he was able to teach me a lot of things in a short period of time that otherwise would consume so much more of my time if i just studied it myself. I bug him and he happily shared to me the techniques, syntax and many others thing about System and Application development. Of course we all know this applies in a larger scale too. as above so below.....we just need to 'feel' who are those teachers that we can truly connect to.
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Post by Barbara on Aug 23, 2018 5:41:26 GMT
For sure, we can actually learn from teachers, as long as we don't assign belief to anything. There are amazing teachers, but there are also almost always distortions of some kind.
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Post by ML on Aug 23, 2018 5:51:19 GMT
For sure, we can actually learn from teachers, as long as we don't assign belief to anything. There are amazing teachers, but there are also almost always distortions of some kind. YES.. There's always a distortion meaning its always not complete..... Here's the part that we need to trust our selves more..... We trust ourselves to be mature enough to discern and be above the distortions/lies/illusions .... we are not trusting the 'teachers' per say.. we are trusting ourselves that we have done the necessary 'discernment'...that our conclusions are the correct one. I actually don't believe any other being but myself..
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Post by girlscout on Aug 23, 2018 13:17:48 GMT
SOME of us have difficulty trusting ourselves, having gone through compulsive episodes/addictions of one sort or another.
CODA and any 12 step program urges us to trust a “higher power”. I am having difficulty finding that, I guess.
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Post by ML on Aug 24, 2018 4:25:01 GMT
SOME of us have difficulty trusting ourselves, having gone through compulsive episodes/addictions of one sort or another. CODA and any 12 step program urges us to trust a “higher power”. I am having difficulty finding that, I guess. Yeah its very difficult sometimes. if we are having trouble in larger scheme. we can try to ultimately live in the moment/present. it helps me... when i am having difficulties and have exhausted my options , i focus on the immediate task/things. at work i concentrate on a particular task and really try to blank everything else at home i do the same. Divine intents towards you gs ))))))
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Post by girlscout on Sept 11, 2018 16:37:56 GMT
Thanks for typing/pasting it out Miron! My heart has told me this/confirmed this since I was a child. I think a lot of us can feel this in truth, that these "life" experiences do NOT help us as some say in ascension or for wisdom. All we needed we had before we fell here and like ducky and others say it's a matter of remembering. I feel that part of the trauma of being here is that we do/ are able to lose parts ofI ourselves subconsciously through the AIF or deceptions, but we don't consciously know it, since the connection isn't there to KNOW yet. This creates a lot of confusion and a feeling of helplessness, which then (IMO) creates the need to feel like our experiences, pains, ARE necessary. We grasp at straws to understand the pains of living here. It might be my empath sense, but sometimes when I look at people's lives around me, I sense the drowning desparations...people do not know what to do, and can't think what to do, and continue doing the same things that don't work and will never work. But what if there is nothing to remember? What if we already have the wisdom? I look around like you and see most of us live mundane lives when we should soar. One of the few myths that make sense to me is that we are the experiment of the Aeon Sophia who embodies this planet. No photo from space has shown me a planet more beautiful. (of course mankind does his best to destroy and plunder) If so then this would be a real existence and yes we would be a project of sorts. Convincing folks they are living in a demonic false reality is not working for me. Living in a reality under attack is. Our enemies created upon her impact into the solar system do the best they can from keeping her experiment from being a success. Archons imitate and deceive as they are parasitic mind invaders obsessed with ruining Sophia's dream. More and more I believe that those who complicate the nature of our being despite best intentions are themselves deceived. A lifetime of learning is a lifetime of not understanding. We are children of the Aeons and there has been a continued attack against us as we battle for freedom in this artificially created system of control aimed to keep us from being who we really should be. That is their goal. Ours is to fly. Phillip Goddard's grounding, and Ram Dass's Be Here Now's message of "Chop Wood and Carry Water" reminds me that the experience/lessons we need/have are played out every day, moment by moment. Surely the fruits that JVP speaks of are what bring meaning to our activities and experiences. Developing our own will, integrity, and heart are all worthwhile, I'm thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 17:40:48 GMT
SOME of us have difficulty trusting ourselves, having gone through compulsive episodes/addictions of one sort or another. CODA and any 12 step program urges us to trust a “higher power”. I am having difficulty finding that, I guess. Yeah its very difficult sometimes. if we are having trouble in larger scheme. we can try to ultimately live in the moment/present. it helps me... when i am having difficulties and have exhausted my options , i focus on the immediate task/things. at work i concentrate on a particular task and really try to blank everything else at home i do the same. Divine intents towards you gs )))))) Yeah that's what I'm trying more and more now. When I'm having a bad day and fears go through me, I just let it be and take a nap (like the cat I posted in the Quote section) or focus my attention on other things. I am trying less and less to force myself and thanks to the fruits of the spirit (especially the knowledge about Faith) I am confident that it all will go away.
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Post by IW on Sept 11, 2018 18:47:25 GMT
True, GS. There is a perfection within each of us. When we accept ourselves-love ourselves, trust ourselves, in full understanding, then we have entered the fullness of being. I am not saying there is nothing to learn here,. was more leaning on the phrase- No pain no gain. The trauma and pain does not need to be a part of this reality, some choose this maybe thinking it's a shortcut path.
Mr. Goddard's grounding is great. Eliminating garbage interference as he puts it was/is his way of reducing his pain/trauma in life. There is No hierarchies here, no leaders, no saviors, just each person trying to find their truth in their own way.
Like the greek lady says in her book. There can be a thousand truths, depending on perspective and personalities, but at some point there is only one truth when those things fall away.
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