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Post by mironlang on Apr 6, 2020 11:58:06 GMT
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Post by Stranger2 on Apr 6, 2020 15:54:08 GMT
These conspiracy theories make no sense. The cost of US nationwide vaccination is around $300 million/year, so this would approximately be the revenues of pharma and medical industry from potential COID19 vaccination. Now, compare this with the overall damage and losses to the US economy from the pandemic and economy shutdown - a rough optimistic estimate is around 10% of the GDP decline in 2020, which is around $3 trillion. So compare the pharma revenues with losses of the biggest US business owners and economy sectors - oil, auto, airlines, high-tech etc. Do you think those guys would allow the pharma sector to get $0.3 billion by agreeing to lose $3 trillion? Makes no sense. The club of US economy owners would not allow some minority members to benefit by the expense of the losses of the majority of the rest.
However, it is quite likely that the COVID19 was in fact genetically engineered in China and was released by accident because of the lack of safety procedures. Simply some greedy lab technician sold some disposed bats from the virusology lab on the Wuhan market. Genetic engineering experiments with viruses is very dangerous practice and its potential risks were predicted long time ago. But because nobody cared and the viral-GE experiments continued over the world, the inevitable now happened. It could be actually much worse. Imagine a virus with HIV mortality rate and impossibility to develop a vaccine combined with contagion rate of COVID19. So, the fact that CDC were hiring personnel for developing more quarantine facilities simply means that they clearly understood the likelihood of these scenarios and they were simply trying to do their job.
People are seeking for weird conspiracy theories while ignoring quite obvious but more realistic and potentially more dangerous scenarios. Humanity is approaching a milestone of civilizational development where it is quite likely to destroy itself. The underlying problem is that humans developed technologies with immense destruction powers, while themselves remaining on the same primitive level of animal-instinct-driven egoic state of consciousness with almost no improvement over the entire human history. The disproportion between the development rate and the power of technologies and between the primitive egoic stagnant state of human consciousness will only get worse over time in the future.
There are multiple of such destruction scenarios: - Nuclear or chemical war. This is not very likely unless a mentally ill person takes political power in one of the big nuclear nations. - Population decline due to environmental chemical and radiation pollution. This factor may indeed cause some population decrease, but unlikely cause a total destruction. - Development of AI and robots (Matrix movie scenario). This is quite likely, many people warned about it (including Elon Musk), but this will not happen in the near future, the modern AI technology is quite far from that point. - Genetic engineering with viruses. This is actually the most dangerous technology that, in the worst case scenario, can wipe out the entire humanity from existence on Earth in a matter of a few months. This can unfold as a biological war, as an act of terrorism or simply as an accident. And the GE technology is now mature enough to make this possible to happen anytime.
To me the last scenario looks the most likely and the most deadly. The problem is that, as opposed to nuclear or other warfare technologies, the genetic engineering with viruses is relatively easy to do and not very expensive. Any crazy scientist or a group of terrorists can actually do it in a basement as long as they have basic knowledge of biochemistry and of the GE techniques.
This is not at all to spread any panic, but just to look at things objectively and to plan accordingly. Well, my personal plan is not to return to this crazy planet anyway even if humanity manages to survive, so I'm watching this unfolding humanity story from the point of view of a nonbiased observer.
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Post by mironlang on Apr 6, 2020 16:55:39 GMT
good point.
but the money thing is just a part of it.
same as insurance money and the golds in 9-11 operations.
its not even the icing on the cake.
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Post by Stranger2 on Apr 6, 2020 17:13:24 GMT
Well, the thing is, it actually does not matter if it was masterminded or happened by accident. Either way it is human egos perusing their egoic goals by playing with deadly technologies. And it is only going to continue and get worse, nothing can stop it.
I think humanity is a failed experiment. You can't have a race with animal-level egoic state of consciousness possessing advanced technologies, it simply does not work. They will inevitably destroy themselves. But for each of us incarnated on Earth it was perhaps a good learning experience, rather negative for most but hopefully still useful.
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Post by Stranger2 on Apr 6, 2020 19:52:49 GMT
Of course! And what did you expect? We live in a civilization which is 99.99% made of and driven by egos. As long as you have an ego too and live in the egoic state of consciousness, there will always be other egos who will take advantage of you. Egos survive by preying on each other. Stronger and smarter egos exploit weaker ones. Nothing in this civilization has changed since its very beginning, none of the religions, revolutions, humanistic literature or education helped in any noticeable way.
And for those of us who believe that the humanity is controlled from higher dimensional levels by another race of "gods" or aliens (which is quite possible) - this scenario is no different. That controlling race is obviously in the same deeply egoic state of mind. And what can we do about it? What kind of good would we expect from them?
You can't possibly change or convince the majority of population, including the elite, to leave their egoic states of mind (forget even about aliens), it's just totally unrealistic and will never happen. It's totally unrealistic to expect that the elite will start caring for you, don't waste you time on even thinking about it. No social restructuring and changing political systems will ever work, we already tried revolutions, communism, hippies, religious orders and so on, it was all only worse. To break free from this vicious cycle, the only thing we can do is to break free from the slavery to our own ego. Then we will have no concern about whatever other egos, including the elite, would try to do to us, we will transcend this whole matrix of preying egos and will be invincible.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 7:04:11 GMT
I think humanity is a failed experiment. You can't have a race with animal-level egoic state of consciousness possessing advanced technologies, it simply does not work. They will inevitably destroy themselves. But for each of us incarnated on Earth it was perhaps a good learning experience, rather negative for most but hopefully still useful. I quoted your small comment under your post, because I wanted to elaborate on that one here. I totally agree with this statement. I chose to elaborate on this one, because you are advocating on escaping this Earth plane. Earth is only a prison in our lowered awareness state and that is because people have never even realized that they are not lesser beings. They have never been able or made the choice to discover their true potential and expand their awareness. The real problem is indeed the ego, but people easily confuse the ego mind with the mind virus (or the residual effects that are now plaguing our ego mind and central nervous system) which is at the origin of our current human state. This mind virus has infected every single human on this earth plane (and in the Cosmos). We don't have to escape this earth, we just need to deprogram ourselves and let go of the ego control in us. Also, you mention that we should return to the Spirit. You can't find spirit by escaping this matrix. Spirit or consciousness is inside ourselves and will always be. We have just lost the connection because of all the programming and propaganda techniques via ideologies and (religious) dogmas. Think about energy and how a change in the energy pattern, based on focus and intent, can change this current paradigm, if more people start changing their behaviors and let go of these limiting belief systems, start working on themselves, learning about what exactly is limiting themselves and especially let go of that victim consciousness, then there really is no need to escape this planet. Is this utopian thinking? It will take a lot of time, that is for sure, but I do think it is possible.
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Post by Stranger2 on Apr 7, 2020 12:42:32 GMT
I think humanity is a failed experiment. You can't have a race with animal-level egoic state of consciousness possessing advanced technologies, it simply does not work. They will inevitably destroy themselves. But for each of us incarnated on Earth it was perhaps a good learning experience, rather negative for most but hopefully still useful. I quoted your small comment under your post, because I wanted to elaborate on that one here. I totally agree with this statement. I chose to elaborate on this one, because you are advocating on escaping this Earth plane. Earth is only a prison in our lowered awareness state and that is because people have never even realized that they are not lesser beings. They have never been able or made the choice to discover their true potential and expand their awareness. The real problem is indeed the ego, but people easily confuse the ego mind with the mind virus (or the residual effects that are now plaguing our ego mind and central nervous system) which is at the origin of our current human state. This mind virus has infected every single human on this earth plane (and in the Cosmos). We don't have to escape this earth, we just need to deprogram ourselves and let go of the ego control in us. Also, you mention that we should return to the Spirit. You can't find spirit by escaping this matrix. Spirit or consciousness is inside ourselves and will always be. We have just lost the connection because of all the programming and propaganda techniques via ideologies and (religious) dogmas. Think about energy and how a change in the energy pattern, based on focus and intent, can change this current paradigm, if more people start changing their behaviors and let go of these limiting belief systems, start working on themselves, learning about what exactly is limiting themselves and especially let go of that victim consciousness, then there really is no need to escape this planet. Is this utopian thinking? It will take a lot of time, that is for sure, but I do think it is possible. We have some agreements and disagreements here. Of course the Spirit is inside ourselves veiled by the egoic mind and dualistic way of perception. But the root of the real problem actually goes much deeper than just ego. Ego goes in a package and is inseparable from a distorted way of perceiving the reality in a dualistic way. This perception is very deeply genetically and culturally programmed in our minds. Here is where the real problem is: if anyone would actually try to practically change his/her dualistic perception and egoic state of consciousness he/she will find that it is practically almost impossible. Very few spiritual champions over the whole history (like Buddha and a few others) were able to do that with only limited success. These are the rules of this virtual reality game: the human condition, the functioning of the human mind is genetically designed and programmed such that noone can practically escape the prison of the dualistic mind and its deeply egoic structure. We humans actually do not have any other choice but to either accept it or quit the game. This is not just about changing a paradigm, changing paradigms or belief systems is just scratching the surface. I've read tons of wonderful books on how wonderful the life can be only if we would just change our beliefs and let go of our egos. Unfortunately, all of it is just wishful thinking. But you will never know that until you actually try to let go of ego. This is how I differentiate between people who just read the wonderful spiritual books and have wonderful beliefs from people who actually tried to accomplish that. I've been doing that and practicing for decades, I would not say there is no change in me at all, but it is very slow and limited. I know for a fact how persistent and violent the human minds is with its dualistic perception and egoic structure and survival mechanisms. It functions autonomously from your intelligence and Spirit and simply ignores all your great spiritual insights. It is like having a personality split. If you don't believe me, try it for yourself. So, to expect that any significant fraction of humanity will ever change to non-egoic state of mind it totally unrealistic. This is why I'm so pessimistic about human conditions. I do not think it can be ever improved or fixed, because I tried it myself and I know for a fact how hard it is to change. For me personally there is no point in continuing this human life lesson, I do not learn anything new. Very few nice experiences of human life are not worth tons of suffering, confusion and distorted perception of reality. So, here is another point. Our human perception of reality is actually a total lie, it is totally wrong. What we see when we perceive the world is a total fiction existing only in our minds. And this fiction is imposed on our consciousness violently with no choice to change it. (It is actually possible to change it to certain extent, but in a very limited way). So, even if human life would be all happy and wonderful, I personally do not like the fact that it is a fiction based on a lie. I do not want to live in a fairy tale, I want to live in reality. We humans are tripping here and addicted to our trips. We are drug addicts. It does not matter how wonderful the drug trips may be, even though in reality these are mostly bad trips. I do not accept any happiness or pleasures by the expense of lying to myself and to other beings. I want to live in Truth no matter how hard it is. But fortunately, living in the state of no-lie is actually much more peaceful, happier and natural compared to the fiction of the distorted state of human mind, I know that from my own experience. Some people say that perhaps human life is a simulation game for our learning, just like flight simulations to train pilots. That is possible too. But the point is then - live it, learn from it everything there is to learn, and then graduate and move on to the real life. Do not become addicted to it, it's supposed to be only a training simulator, not a way to live your life addicted to fictitious virtual reality games.
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