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Post by Carter on Mar 25, 2020 0:45:49 GMT
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1. Some people tend to believe whatever they want to believe, irrespective of evidence or facts to the contrary.
2. As one of the former generals/chief of staff of the US indicated, anyone who has not read 100 books is functionally illierate so their views are limited.
3. Limiting reading to the sports section of the newspaper or right wing opinions does NOT lead to a flexible open mind.
4. Logic and reasoning should be applied to evaluating all ideas and theories.
5. Emotion is not a tool for the search for truth.
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Post by Carter on Mar 25, 2020 1:05:45 GMT
Sources of Potentially Reliable Information:
1. An academic with a university education and an ability to write well.
2. An investigative reporter who is a first hand researcher with attention to detail.
3. Someone with a related background to the present subject.
4, A retired prominent expert in the particular field of the subject.
5. Someone whose new discoveries support or contradict PAST work,
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Post by Hans Schokkenbroek on Mar 25, 2020 9:35:56 GMT
You seem to be looking for truth outside of you. Let me offer something outside of you for your discernment. A few words from Walter Russell and it is up to you to deem this reliable or not:
Man has all knowledge within himself. Inspiration will unlock the doors of all knowledge. Acknowledge exists in its entirety in all the universe. All-knowledge, being universal, exists in man. The universe is omniscient. The universe is indissolubly united. Omniscience is of the electron, the atom, the magnetic field of the atom, the molecule, the mountain, the man, the planet, the air, the water, the fire, the stars in the heavens and the far reaches of space. The Oneness of the universe allows no exceptions, no mistakes, no error in its all-inclusiveness. Nothing is omitted from the entirety of universal Mind. There is all-knowledge in all matter. There is all-intelligence in all matter. All matter is spirit. Spirit is God. God is universal. God is all. ONE.
This is the prelude to his book "The Universal One".
THE supreme service which man can render to evolving man is to answer for him, dynamically, the great heretofore unanswerable question concerning the One universal force which man calls God, or Mind, or by other names. For long ages man has impatiently awaited the knowledge which would tear away the veil from the invisible universe which lies beyond his perception and bring it within the range of both his perception and his exact comprehension. Mathematical and measurable proof of the existence of but One Mind, One force and One substance would give to man absolute control over matter, the power to create, even as God creates, and within the same limitations. Man is omnipotent when he but knows his omnipotence. Until that day he is but man. Voltaire said that man could never comprehend God for man must be God to comprehend Him. Man is God and therefore God is within the comprehension of man. Man is Mind. Man is matter. Mind and matter are One. God is Mind. This is a universe of Mind, a finite universe, limited as to cause, and to the effect of cause. A universe of limitations cannot be infinite. There is no infinite universe. A finite universe, in which the effects of cause are limited, must also be limited as to cause; so when that measureable cause is known then can man comprehend and measure all effects. The effects of cause are complex and mystify man but cause itself is simple. The universe is a multiplicity of changing effects of but One unchanging cause. All things are universal. Nothing is which is not universal. Nothing is of itself alone. Man and Mind and all creating things are universal. No man can say: “I alone am I.” There is but One universe, One Mind, One force, One substance. When man knows this in measurable exactness then will he have no limitations within those which are universal. He will then know that all knowledge exists within man and is subject to his desire to recall it from within his inner Mind. Knowledge is not acquired from without but merely recollected from within. The recollection of knowledge from within is an electromagnetic process of thinking Mind which is as exactly under man’s control as is the generation of the same power to turn a wheel. Man must “think in light”; his thinking must be in terms of the electromagnetic periodicities which measure all motion, for of such is he himself, and nothing else. To know how to think in light from within is to open the doors of all knowledge. Omnipotence lies in perfect thinking. There is no power in this universe other than the energy of thinking Mind. Thinking is the cause of motion and the periodicities, or states of motion, caused by thinking Mind are registered in light which man calls “matter.” Matter is light. Nothing is which is not light. We are prone to think that this civilization of ours is an extremely advanced one. On the contrary, man of today is in an exceedingly primitive state of his evolution. He is a bearer of heavy burdens, sweating at heavy labor in the bowels of the earth because of his pitiful ignorance of universal power which awaits only his knowledge to render it available for his free use. Knowledge of the One Thing will lift the yoke which man has placed on his own shoulders. This knowledge is herein written down in the language of a new dynamic science of new concepts which are measurable; which explain the heretofore unexplainable. Language is lacking in words to express new knowledge. Seemingly contradictory words must be used in the hope that the intent will be understood by taking all that is herein written and putting it together, rather than in trying to find comprehension through the analysis of a few inadequate words in isolated paragraphs. For all those questions which lie unanswered within the heart of man there is a dynamic answer, such an answer as two and two make four. Faith and theory regarding the universal One need have no place in the thinking of man. They are wanderings in the dark. All things are answerable in light. The universe is a tonal one, a dimensionless universe of light. All nature is a series of orderly tonal periodicities of the One force, assembled into the complex idea of thinking Mind, and registered in light, or matter, or energy in interchanging potentials, all of which are variable, yet comprehensible and measurable states of motion of the One substance. All dimension is an illusion, an appearance, due to rising potential, which must disappear into its inevitable sequence of lowering potential, and again appear in endless cycles of appearance, disappearance and reappearance. Ecstatic man is he who can think in those high octaves of the inner Mind which has been termed “spirit.” Ecstatic man is inspired man of universal genius, of inner thinking. Inspired man is he to come whose thinking will be from within, in light, and it will be an ecstasy of thinking which will produce enduring things. That work which is created in ecstasy of inner thinking can alone endure. To think in light is not a new power being developed by evolving man. It is a power which is now within him awaiting only his knowledge of the use of that power. It is merely the recognition by man of his absolute control of the many dimensions of the universal constant of energy which constitutes the thinking process of Mind exactly as he can control the changing speeds of his motor car. When man can change the low speed of his objective thinking in this universe of dimension to the high speed of his inner thinking where dimension disappears in light, then is he superman. Then is he universal genius. Light is the universal language in which the Divine Concept is plainly written. Fundamentally wrong in its basic premises, and wasteful in its practice, man’s modern concept of the universe must be torn down and built again on truth as plainly told in light. Primitive in his concepts, man divides the universe into the seen and the unseen, then finds himself groping in the dark, blindfolded, hopelessly trying to find the way to the door of the Holy of Holies. There is no unseen universe. The way to that innermost sanctuary of the Most High is as clearly posted as the Lincoln Highway; but man has not been able to read the plainly worded messages written all along the way in light. Man’s most wonderful of instruments, the spectroscope, has told him little, for he has not yet learned to read it. He does not know that those many lines of light are but letters of the alphabet of light in which the universal One registers His mighty thinking in the universal language of light. The spectrum of iron is to man naught but the spectrum of iron. To the cosmic import of those many glowing lines he is indeed blind. Again, in helium he reads the lines as helium’s lines and sees not in them the plain story simply told of six new elements of vast import awaiting man’s use in the easing of his burden. And of those most important of the elements, which man calls the “inert gases,” nothing at all is known except that they will not combine with any other elements. Of the pity of it! Wrong concepts of the atom’s structure and the modern electric theory, of energy and its transmission, of conductivity, radiation and gravitation, and of that electro-chemical state of opposed motion called luminosity, all of these wrong concepts of motion, and of matter, must be remoulded on truth. With truth comes knowledge; and with knowledge power to transmute at will, and simply, plentiful substances of matter into those which are the rarest, to meet the needs of man. There is no substance which nature produces which man cannot produce, or synthesize, or “create” from apparent nothingness when he knows that which is herein written down and charted. Man’s miracles of today become commonplace events of tomorrow. Civilizations come and go, exalted by man’s thinking or by it plunged into the abyss of darkened ages. This message is for all mankind and not for the few, for it is placing within his hands a power which could either glorify or frightfully enslave him in accord with the usage of that power. Either way it matters not, for in the end truth will survive, and man will complete his destiny. Truth lives. There is naught but truth and that which appears to be otherwise has no existence and therefore is not, nor ever will be.
Russell, Walter. The Universal One . The University of Science and Philosophy. Kindle Edition.
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Post by Henrik on Mar 25, 2020 11:54:10 GMT
Sources of Potentially Reliable Information:
1. An academic with a university education and an ability to write well.
2. An investigative reporter who is a first hand researcher with attention to detail.
3. Someone with a related background to the present subject.
4, A retired prominent expert in the particular field of the subject.
5. Someone whose new discoveries support or contradict PAST work, This is a good starting point, from there you have to rely on yourself to figure what is reasonable or not, get multiple sources, cross-reference etc. "Expert" opinion is misused and misrepresented constantly, so this alone is not enough, IMHO. So start here and end with WB :-)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 12:51:49 GMT
Much wisdom above WB. Thanks.
I do not think anyone can tell us where or how the multiverse became conscious or did conscious exist before the multiverse? A chicken or the egg kind of thing. I have pondered for a while now "our" place in all this. What resonates most with me is we are (or should be) an extension of consciousness into the 3D elements of the multiverse. Not an ego thing but we are as important to true original consciousness as it is to us. Little sparks from the big fire we are.
I use to live not all that far from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute. When the larger sub or ship sent down a small probe into unknown depths that mini sub was crucial to the mission. Without it the larger vessel and it's crew could not do its job. Those of true human spirit knew what they were getting themselves into before entering a body. Like the old show Mission Impossible. The self destructing tape would always end with "if you choose to accept this mission". I think maybe some of us did.
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Post by Carter on Mar 25, 2020 14:57:49 GMT
Sources of Potentially Reliable Information:
1. An academic with a university education and an ability to write well.
2. An investigative reporter who is a first hand researcher with attention to detail.
3. Someone with a related background to the present subject.
4, A retired prominent expert in the particular field of the subject.
5. Someone whose new discoveries support or contradict PAST work, Yes, eye witness reports are important too, but then the 300 recorded witness reports on Roswell were all from military and flight experts which makes them more important and usually more detailed than reports from the general public. BTW A college graduate is likely to have picked up research skills, attention to detail, and information analysis. That is not to say that dumb college graducates don't exist...just that they are fewer in number
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Post by Stranger2 on Mar 25, 2020 16:12:23 GMT
Much wisdom above WB. Thanks. I do not think anyone can tell us where or how the multiverse became conscious or did conscious exist before the multiverse? A chicken or the egg kind of thing. I have pondered for a while now "our" place in all this. What resonates most with me is we are (or should be) an extension of consciousness into the 3D elements of the multiverse. Not an ego thing but we are as important to true original consciousness as it is to us. Little sparks from the big fire we are. I use to live not all that far from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute. When the larger sub or ship sent down a small probe into unknown depths that mini sub was crucial to the mission. Without it the larger vessel and it's crew could not do its job. Those of true human spirit knew what they were getting themselves into before entering a body. Like the old show Mission Impossible. The self destructing tape would always end with "if you choose to accept this mission". I think maybe some of us did. It's an interesting analogy, but it still puzzles me: what is the point of sending billions of probes over and over for hundreds of generations? What do we learn here that we have not yet learned from previous probes? To me it looks more like an addiction to virtual reality games rather than a scientific exploration.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 1:13:37 GMT
Much wisdom above WB. Thanks. I do not think anyone can tell us where or how the multiverse became conscious or did conscious exist before the multiverse? A chicken or the egg kind of thing. I have pondered for a while now "our" place in all this. What resonates most with me is we are (or should be) an extension of consciousness into the 3D elements of the multiverse. Not an ego thing but we are as important to true original consciousness as it is to us. Little sparks from the big fire we are. I use to live not all that far from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute. When the larger sub or ship sent down a small probe into unknown depths that mini sub was crucial to the mission. Without it the larger vessel and it's crew could not do its job. Those of true human spirit knew what they were getting themselves into before entering a body. Like the old show Mission Impossible. The self destructing tape would always end with "if you choose to accept this mission". I think maybe some of us did. It's an interesting analogy, but it still puzzles me: what is the point of sending billions of probes over and over for hundreds of generations? What do we learn here that we have not yet learned from previous probes? To me it looks more like an addiction to virtual reality games rather than a scientific exploration. Good point strangler. I cannot answer that really but maybe games are all we have? I could counter with what is the point of anything? Why bother. Somewhere there must be a point
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Post by Henrik on Mar 26, 2020 13:18:13 GMT
Well, physically, there is no such thing as a point: "It has no size i.e. no width, no length and no depth"
Thus a point is a virtual representation of a "location".
In other words every point is virtual, "unreal".
Thus we get into the smallest bits of the universe, which either dissolves into quantum mechanics and non-locality (thus no location, no point) or into Miles Mechanical universe where nothing without some kind of size may exist (thus no point)
What is the point then? The game itself? The point cannot be located HERE, it must either be everything in itself or something "outside" of HERE, whatever that is.
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Post by Stranger2 on Mar 26, 2020 14:51:12 GMT
I agree, the games are all we have. Ultimately there is no point in anything, the only point we can ever have is a point that we make up for ourselves. But there are different kinds of games. Look at our life for example. Some people play chess, some play music, some play math, some play smoking grass, some play stupid computer games, some play crimes, some play wars. There are different kinds of games. So, my point is, here on Earth most people are playing mostly bad and addictive games hurting ourselves and each other. The fundamental reason for that is that we are destined to play bad games on Earth because in this world we live in monkey body-minds that have genetically-programmed dualistic perception and egoic mind structure. This is the rule of the game, there is no choice. If anyone would ever simply try to practically change his/her perception (from dualistic to non-dualistic) and his/her egoic mode of mind functioning, he/she will find that is it at least extremely difficult if not at all impossible and only very few can accomplish that. But I think anyone would agree that the life on Earth offers unlimited opportunities to have all kinds of thrilling experiences. So, it's in fact a thriller virtual reality game and we are addicted to it in spite of the fact that we suffer and hurt each other a lot in this game. So, the question is: why play bad addictive and cruel games if we have a choice and ability to play good healthy and non-addictive ones? It's actually simply a question of spiritual/mental health rather than philosophy. But, if we make this informed choice and choose not to play addictive thriller games, why live on Earth at all (if life on Earth lives no choice but to play it)?
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Post by Hans Schokkenbroek on Mar 27, 2020 9:55:33 GMT
Maybe this is an answer to the question why? that resonates. Or it may not resonate.... .
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Man’s concept of God as omnipresent, or universally present, is an inconsistent concept, for it does not include man or nature in that concept as God, or as part of God. Man has been so trained to look for God outside the realms of nature, as an incomprehensible, substanceless God, separate and apart from himself and from that which he knows as the physical universe, that it has become a tradition of his thinking, a fixed habit of his thinking.
It may be a shock therefore to the outer mind of man to find a comprehensible God, of which he himself and all phenomena of nature are One. If this discovery shocks man’s earth-bound mind, then he must learn to readjust his thinking, for there is no other God than Mind. And there is no other Mind than the One universal Mind. Nor is there any other purpose for Mind than the purpose of thinking. Man cannot conceive any other purpose for Mind than that of thinking. Nor is there any other product of thinking than idea. Creation is but an idea of thinking Mind. The divine concept, materialised into this universe of matter, is a stupendous idea of Mind but it varies not one bit in principle from the simplest idea of man. Nor does it vary in universal mechanics from the dynamic principles employed by man for the materialization of his ideas. God is Mind. Man is Mind. All idea of God or man is but the product of thinking Mind, registered in matter as form of idea. All idea is an illusion of Mind and visible only to Mind as an illusion. Idea is held in form by Mind for countless periodic intervals of evolution and dissolution. All thinking is universal thinking, immortal thinking. There is no mortal thinking. All idea of Mind is perfect. Imperfection of Mind cannot exist. Separation of Mind into parts is impossible, therefore there are not two Minds or two substances. The One substance of Mind is light. Light is universal. Man is light and man is universal. That which is universal is omnipresent. Man, is, therefore, omnipresent. All matter is omnipresent. The universe has no extension, continuity, space nor time. The Oneness of the universe allows no exceptions, no mistakes, no error in its all-inclusiveness. Nothing is omitted from the entirety of Mind. There are no separable parts to Mind. No apparent part of Mind has locality or position. All matter is universally present. All matter is light. Mind is light. Mind is the universe. Mind is all. ONE.
Russell, Walter. The Universal One . The University of Science and Philosophy. Kindle Edition.
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Post by Stranger2 on Mar 27, 2020 14:21:31 GMT
Maybe this is an answer to the question why? that resonates. Or it may not resonate.... .
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Man’s concept of God as omnipresent, or universally present, is an inconsistent concept, for it does not include man or nature in that concept as God, or as part of God. Man has been so trained to look for God outside the realms of nature, as an incomprehensible, substanceless God, separate and apart from himself and from that which he knows as the physical universe, that it has become a tradition of his thinking, a fixed habit of his thinking.
It may be a shock therefore to the outer mind of man to find a comprehensible God, of which he himself and all phenomena of nature are One. If this discovery shocks man’s earth-bound mind, then he must learn to readjust his thinking, for there is no other God than Mind. And there is no other Mind than the One universal Mind. Nor is there any other purpose for Mind than the purpose of thinking. Man cannot conceive any other purpose for Mind than that of thinking. Nor is there any other product of thinking than idea. Creation is but an idea of thinking Mind. The divine concept, materialised into this universe of matter, is a stupendous idea of Mind but it varies not one bit in principle from the simplest idea of man. Nor does it vary in universal mechanics from the dynamic principles employed by man for the materialization of his ideas. God is Mind. Man is Mind. All idea of God or man is but the product of thinking Mind, registered in matter as form of idea. All idea is an illusion of Mind and visible only to Mind as an illusion. Idea is held in form by Mind for countless periodic intervals of evolution and dissolution. All thinking is universal thinking, immortal thinking. There is no mortal thinking. All idea of Mind is perfect. Imperfection of Mind cannot exist. Separation of Mind into parts is impossible, therefore there are not two Minds or two substances. The One substance of Mind is light. Light is universal. Man is light and man is universal. That which is universal is omnipresent. Man, is, therefore, omnipresent. All matter is omnipresent. The universe has no extension, continuity, space nor time. The Oneness of the universe allows no exceptions, no mistakes, no error in its all-inclusiveness. Nothing is omitted from the entirety of Mind. There are no separable parts to Mind. No apparent part of Mind has locality or position. All matter is universally present. All matter is light. Mind is light. Mind is the universe. Mind is all. ONE.
Russell, Walter. The Universal One . The University of Science and Philosophy. Kindle Edition.
This is a great quote, thanks! But (I can't help not keeping my critic's mouth shut ) it's a bit overoptimistic IMHO. With its unlimited potential of thinking and manifesting, the Mind also has unlimited potential of mistaking, fooling and deceiving itself. Specifically, what we see in the example of our human state of mind is: the Mind imagines the "world" (so the "world" is actually nothing else than the content of a thought-imagination), and then it takes it for real, it has another accompanying thought that this imagined "world" is what the actual reality is. When taken for real, it brings all kinds of suffering and confusion as a consequence. Basically the Minds traps itself in a self-created deception, it becomes a prisoner of its own thoughts. On the other hand, having unlimited potential of flexibility and ability to change its states of Mind, the Mind is also able to understand its delusions and free itself from the self-created mind-traps. Our minds are just individuated sparks of the Universal Mind, so hopefully, once each of us experienced this kind of mental trap and was able to recognize it and break free from it, we will learn from this experience and never do it again.
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