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Post by Ex-Spritruther on Feb 26, 2019 15:15:56 GMT
u.osu.edu/vanzandt/2019/02/12/behind-the-belief-lizard-people/u.osu.edu/vanzandt/2019/02/11/david-icke-love-and-lizard-people/I remember my woo woo and WPP days. I was lucky enough to got out of these "rabbit holes". I don't regret wasting my time on these things, in fact I'm glad I have this foolish experience, of being fooled, by others and by myself. It's not something that I proud of, but nor would I trade the whole experience for the years I wasted. Looking back, the dot-connecting method Icke and Penre use can draw any "big picture" they want, the world is their canvas. The reason I fell for it, beside curiosity and fear of the unknown (Afterlife), is that they are selling an easy explanation for my unfulfillment, actually, an "untouchable" target that I could throw my responsibility at without doing any real work, and I brought it. Also, a part of my animistic brain always looking for patterns, and it will eat anything -- doesn't matter how crazy -- to makes my belief stronger, like the Geometry guy's videos Hans used to post, and eventually flat-earth. The key of getting out from the rabbit hole is to stop running away from yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 16:24:06 GMT
I understand. Sometimes it's like running a treadmill. A lot of effort and sometimes you feel nothing gained. Problem is there is a lot of BS and assumed science out there. This does not mean we don't get bits and pieces of truth but damn there is a lot of sifting just to find a nugget or 2. But understand I can promise you there is shit out there. This is from personal experience.
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Post by IW on Feb 26, 2019 16:32:54 GMT
I think most aware people who search and do dot connecting start to get that idea that integrally working on self, especially the unconscious, or subconscious parts is absolutely necessary.
To continue to "search" after this revelation like you said becomes a "running away". But it is all a process, as we are all individuals.
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Post by Ex-Spritruther on Feb 26, 2019 17:16:52 GMT
Myka, lovely as usual.
"Waste" might be a strong word, but I think of it as "not getting what I'm here for", like the Overlord and space-war and soul-trap and such, but instead I gained a whole different package at the end, about how my mind works, its weakness, the human's psychology etc.
Penre is a great study case for the psychology community, on one hand I hope he will get big enough so that people in the field will study and write about him, he's like the unique glowing mushroom at the end of the rabbit hole, he is so "normal" yet so crazy, like Icke on steroid; on the other hand I kinda don't want people to waste their money buying something that isn't there or a comfort that based on delusion. It's sad to have imaginary friend, sadder to have imaginary enemy.
I tried to watch Penre's videos a few times, but never got to the end, I always felt so cringey and "ashame" within the first few minutes, thinking - this is what I used to believed. It's like looking at my old photo or reading my old diary, uncomfortable.
The science community is just a different flavor of the conspiracy/spiritual community, seeing what they wanted to see, protecting their beliefs just like any other human, and with politics heavenly injected these days, it's tiresome to run in circle with them, but at least they are more mentally stable and not a hole, unlike the deep-woo community where "unfalsifiable" can automatically to be pinned as another Dot to complete the big picture of Truth.
"Spiritually", I became less and less hungry for nugget now, used to crazy for those "gems" like they are able to buy me something nice like eternal-happiness in the end, or to dodge the soul-catching space Overlord and live happily with my princess, but this habit is just another animistic worldview from my brain, hoarding because of worrying, full of confirmation bias and self-deception. Ironically, it's those gems that make a simple path complex and difficult. Unnecessary.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 20:20:28 GMT
u.osu.edu/vanzandt/2019/02/12/behind-the-belief-lizard-people/u.osu.edu/vanzandt/2019/02/11/david-icke-love-and-lizard-people/I remember my woo woo and WPP days. I was lucky enough to got out of these "rabbit holes". I don't regret wasting my time on these things, in fact I'm glad I have this foolish experience, of being fooled, by others and by myself. It's not something that I proud of, but nor would I trade the whole experience for the years I wasted. Looking back, the dot-connecting method Icke and Penre use can draw any "big picture" they want, the world is their canvas. The reason I fell for it, beside curiosity and fear of the unknown (Afterlife), is that they are selling an easy explanation for my unfulfillment, actually, an "untouchable" target that I could throw my responsibility at without doing any real work, and I brought it. Also, a part of my animistic brain always looking for patterns, and it will eat anything -- doesn't matter how crazy -- to makes my belief stronger, like the Geometry guy's videos Hans used to post, and eventually flat-earth. The key of getting out from the rabbit hole is to stop running away from yourself. I am pretty sure that all of this was put out for a reason and I am sure that there is some truth mixed with conjecture. A lot of people have had experiences with projections or thought forms or whatever they are. Interesting that I saw / or was shown the “creature” from Stranger Things the other night. I was looking down on it from above, this very large, undulating and slithering thing, partly in and partly out of the ground. This happened when I decided to open my / the ‘darkness’ to spirit, as per ACIM. I did not use the term Holy Spirit as I have an aversion to the term for whatever reason (also higher self, mother/father, love and light etc., no offense, just do). So basically, “spirit beyond the illusion” was what I was going for. I was thinking of some dark aspects of myself, such as passively wanting people to die or not return so that my life would be easier and at the same time telling myself that I did not really want that [bad mind (genetic / programmed) v good mind (god consciousness / also programmed)… programming possibly being astral parasites / thought forms on the one hand and ground level indoctrination on the other... or actual programming], thinking that that was about the worst type of thought I had ever had, when this “creature” appeared / was inserted into my consciousness, as if “spirit” was telling me that this was me. Fancy that, so it turns out I am “satan” or a “demon” or "yahweh" (or something, or all three). Go figure. Obviously I don’t take these things too seriously, given that I think it is illusion, even if it physically exists somewhere as a thought form (or program). However, I do vaguely remember one of the Stranger Things producers / directors / writers saying in an interview or discussion, something along the lines of this thing being a manifestation of / representing ? all of the emotion / torment / pain of humanity. So I am the dreamer. I guess as we are all one, we are all the dreamer ? Or we are just projecting our awareness into illusion and creating thought forms. Or are we just characters in a game. As I haven't the foggiest notion who I am, I couldn't really say. So the question is am I supposed to look upon this thing and shine light on it (allow light to be shone on it ?), assuming that I ever see it again, and realise that it is nothing substantial (which I think I already know) ? Or am I supposed to endeavour not to engage (a la Philip Goddard). Or am I supposed just to live my life as best I can, endeavoring to be kind and living in the now to the extent that I can and trust that things will unfold as they should ?
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Post by Ex-Spritruther on Feb 26, 2019 21:19:45 GMT
Seeing tulpa/thought form isn't as unusual as they used to be. Some of the shut-in western youths use the Tibetan tulpa-making technique to manifest their favorite cartoon character so they can have sex with them, they call themselves "tulpamancer" or something, I called it schizophrenia-by-choice. Some of them have a blog about their daily interaction with their tulpas.
You see what you really want to see, especially if it's only in your head, and much easier if your brain is below beta wave, half-asleep or drownsy. If you see them on beta wave and above AND you aren't happy about what you see, you should probably talk to someone that isn't Simon Parkes or Kerry Cassidy.
Speaking of movies, sometimes we in this community think that our "knowledge" is so high up and special, if a movie or show have the same idea, we WANT them to be a part of the big elite or some demonic force, because we don't want our special knowledge to be easily imagined and told by a few normal folks out of nowhere. They must be a pawn of the big bad controller, the show must have a higher agenda.
How about, our wisdomful philosophy and hidden alien warfare aren't that hard to be imagined. Not that groundbreaking. Joe can write it.
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Post by ML on Feb 27, 2019 0:27:27 GMT
Seeing tulpa/thought form isn't as unusual as they used to be. Some of the shut-in western youths use the Tibetan tulpa-making technique to manifest their favorite cartoon character so they can have sex with them, they call themselves "tulpamancer" or something, I called it schizophrenia-by-choice. Some of them have a blog about their daily interaction with their tulpas. You see what you really want to see, especially if it's only in your head, and much easier if your brain is below beta wave, half-asleep or drownsy. If you see them on beta wave and above AND you aren't happy about what you see, you should probably talk to someone that isn't Simon Parkes or Kerry Cassidy. Speaking of movies, sometimes we in this community think that our "knowledge" is so high up and special, if a movie or show have the same idea, we WANT them to be a part of the big elite or some demonic force, because we don't want our special knowledge to be easily imagined and told by a few normal folks out of nowhere. They must be a pawn of the big bad controller, the show must have a higher agenda. How about, our wisdomful philosophy and hidden alien warfare aren't that hard to be imagined. Not that groundbreaking. Joe can write it. Are you Hyoni also? Thanks
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Post by ML on Feb 27, 2019 0:31:37 GMT
Myka, lovely as usual. "Waste" might be a strong word, but I think of it as "not getting what I'm here for", like the Overlord and space-war and soul-trap and such, but instead I gained a whole different package at the end, about how my mind works, its weakness, the human's psychology etc. Penre is a great study case for the psychology community, on one hand I hope he will get big enough so that people in the field will study and write about him, he's like the unique glowing mushroom at the end of the rabbit hole, he is so "normal" yet so crazy, like Icke on steroid; on the other hand I kinda don't want people to waste their money buying something that isn't there or a comfort that based on delusion. It's sad to have imaginary friend, sadder to have imaginary enemy. I tried to watch Penre's videos a few times, but never got to the end, I always felt so cringey and "ashame" within the first few minutes, thinking - this is what I used to believed. It's like looking at my old photo or reading my old diary, uncomfortable. The science community is just a different flavor of the conspiracy/spiritual community, seeing what they wanted to see, protecting their beliefs just like any other human, and with politics heavenly injected these days, it's tiresome to run in circle with them, but at least they are more mentally stable and not a hole, unlike the deep-woo community where "unfalsifiable" can automatically to be pinned as another Dot to complete the big picture of Truth. "Spiritually", I became less and less hungry for nugget now, used to crazy for those "gems" like they are able to buy me something nice like eternal-happiness in the end, or to dodge the soul-catching space Overlord and live happily with my princess, but this habit is just another animistic worldview from my brain, hoarding because of worrying, full of confirmation bias and self-deception. Ironically, it's those gems that make a simple path complex and difficult. Unnecessary. If i get it right pls confirm... Orfeora? JimChan? cmon now!
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Post by ML on Feb 27, 2019 2:37:28 GMT
I posted two messages on the Wes Penre youtube channel, one on the Discussion page another on the video comment box, but they were censored by Wes Penre or by his wife. Wes Penre's way of packaging his Post-Scientology space opera, chopped-and-screwed scientific theories and philosophies with his own twist on the narcissistic subject is HARMFUL to any real abused victim, it would only creates more harm than good, I've seen one, and she was my colleague and friend. When a woman been abused she will experience intense low self-esteem and self-hatred, imagine someone at that time feed her beliefs of some galatic overlords and try to boost her self-esteem by telling her God is a girl and man are basically evil while in the process of healing her trauma. What if she is lost enough to believe anything? What you think it's going to happen? What's going to happen when a random male telling a troubled woman that she's special and she's like a goddess? I did not watch or read every single thing Wes Pebre published other than the few youtube links my friend sent me on KaKaoTalk and the only interview on his website, but I believe my conclusion will be the same even if I read all of them: A library of insanity and bad advice. I know that asking Wes Penre to stop touching the narcissism subject is too much for him, people like him is always unable to stop his urge to "share", so my only request is for Wes Penre to post a clear disclaimer on any of his video that related to abuses to keep them away from actual victims. Everyone has their own right to religion and fantasy, but a drowning heart will almost jump on any ship, it will be better if the ship is a professionist's ship with a decent peer-review system and open-sourced. A Scientologist's ship is never a good idea. here are the messages I sent: >message 1 (on discussion page) "If you've been abused in any way, shape, or form, and are here seeking for help or inspiration, go away now, for the sake of your own mental well-being. I also advice Wes Penre and his followers to leave their escapist rabbit holes and breath with reality again. There's one thing talking about healing from abuses or discussing conspiracies that could be happening - like how your boyfriend is secretly contacting his ex, or two political figures from two different camp having a secret handover deal, or even illegal sexual activities... but it's a whole different thing talking about alien invaders capturing your souls and spaceship star-war happening on "Orion Empire". WHAT! These videos would be funny if it wasn't a further danger to anyone who is truly feeling lost, truly looking for a recovery from their past abuses and in need of help and experienced advice, but based on most of the comments on various video, this isn't funny anymore. I've been in the music industry and witnessed "a few" abuses, metoo-like, both mentally and physically. For some people, especially women, these kind of abuses are powerful enough to change their core beliefs overnight, because those are their most valuable moments, and if you feed them DMT or with this kind of Post-Scientology bullcrap in the name of helping them at those valuable moments, the most merciful act you can do is keep your fantasy and escaping drug to yourself and leave them alone. Wes Penre is still unable to realize the ridiculous nature of L. Ron, subconsciously carrying his signature everywhere. The term AIF(Alien Invader Force) is a Scientology OT3 term, so is the idea of a galactic spaceman enslaving human, capturing them and brainwashing their souls in space stations with motion pictures. L. Ron was a true inspiration to many loon metaphysical writers in the west, all of his twisted imagination is still alive and well today, but there is nothing solid in Scientology just like there's nothing solid in Satanism, they are merely religions made by men with mommy-issues. It's just a human thing, just another cult doing cult things, being complexly naive and seriously ridiculous. The "Auditing" of Scientology that makes you feel good is just a modern version of Catholic's confession room (father I have sin), with a homemade lie-detector as an addon. Like the annoying worldwide Targeted Individuals/Gang Stalking schizophrenia community, you and many "Truther" movements are enabling each other's twisted beliefs, and sometimes, their self-denied mental illnesses. You did nothing to change the world or to make your society a better and a more open-sourced place, you did nothing progressive, not even bringing happiness in its most simplistic form, but you imagine that you did, you imagine you saved lives. No, you're an escapist, you only feed yourself and your followers' delusion with more stories and more fantasies, harming them unknowingly. Did your stories and philosophies ever even worked? Did the temporary comfort you gave them and yourself lasted for long? No, because they are just like any other story or philosophy, always hollow. Your followers will just keep asking for more, you will keep making up more twists and finding more "synchronicities" for your failing belief, there is only numbing and no healing, there is no "enlightenment" in your path or in any woo-level Truther camp, it just keeps going on and on forever in circle without any conclusion. You are fighting an enemy that you made up in your head, all you do is digging deeper and deeper into your own rabbit holes, refusing to aware that the biggest conspiracy is that no one is in control and everyone is trying to project power and pretending having things under control for the illusion of safety. Cult works because people put their trust into the cult-leader that claimed to be in control of things, and when the followers are controlled by the leader, they too have the same blissful moment of sharing the same control, the same safeness. It seems your AIF belief gives you comfort and safety because it's a blindfold that protects you from your own shame and guilt of not being someone you actually accepted or even someone that's likable, which is totally not true. You don't have to be better, you just have to stop trying to be better." > message 2 (on one of his video) "You censored my post to you and to those average viewers, but I still wanted to remind you that next time, when you make another video related to narcissistic or any kind of abuses, please put on a bright-red disclaimer up front saying that you guys are not trained in this field and they should seek professional support elsewhere, because your videos are only for advanced Thetans and they might harm the viewers if they're not advanced enough. Whatever your true agenda is, remember, it's not nice to try to "help" a mentally or physically abused person with gender love-bombing, doublespeak philosophies and delusive stories." I don't need to comment on your message as such because I can tell that you haven't looked into what Ariel and I are doing enough to have an unbiased opinion (and you have probably not read my papers), but when it comes to censoring...from the beginning of our youtube channel, Ariel and I have never censored anybody--and that would include you. Just wanted to put the record straight, that's all. Happy you have visited Wes.
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Post by ML on Feb 27, 2019 5:15:45 GMT
Wes is no longer on the Narc mode as i see.( as per the Thread started )
Its now more of a general Q&A videos.
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Post by ML on Feb 27, 2019 5:45:35 GMT
u.osu.edu/vanzandt/2019/02/12/behind-the-belief-lizard-people/u.osu.edu/vanzandt/2019/02/11/david-icke-love-and-lizard-people/I remember my woo woo and WPP days. I was lucky enough to got out of these "rabbit holes". I don't regret wasting my time on these things, in fact I'm glad I have this foolish experience, of being fooled, by others and by myself. It's not something that I proud of, but nor would I trade the whole experience for the years I wasted. Looking back, the dot-connecting method Icke and Penre use can draw any "big picture" they want, the world is their canvas. The reason I fell for it, beside curiosity and fear of the unknown (Afterlife), is that they are selling an easy explanation for my unfulfillment, actually, an "untouchable" target that I could throw my responsibility at without doing any real work, and I brought it. Also, a part of my animistic brain always looking for patterns, and it will eat anything -- doesn't matter how crazy -- to makes my belief stronger, like the Geometry guy's videos Hans used to post, and eventually flat-earth.The key of getting out from the rabbit hole is to stop running away from yourself. This one is more of a JimChan rather than OrfeoRa....
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Post by Ex-Spritruther on Feb 27, 2019 14:05:09 GMT
Mironlang, ADHD salesman cuteness as usual.
Your internet excitement makes me remember the good old days, how Penre elegantly designed every rules so formally with such caring and always with "love, Wes" at the end of a post but then decided to delete it all within days, like a child with a serious face explaining the game rules to his friends but suddenly left all the mess behind because mom's calling for supper, and how people deleting accounts and re-register like a teenage girl's temporary silent-treatment to someone that she wishes to come back and treat her like a princess again. Easily triggered even with such divine "wisdom". The whole thing is child-like, not in the "find your inner child" way, which itself is merely another instagram-level philosophy, overrated, overhyped.
It were those tiny things that made me started to question: these are the people that hold the most important knowledge in the world right now? Really? But I don't want to be like them... Nightdreamer and Roger Stanley went full mental on youtube, a member hacked into the old forum to gather personal informations, another member started dating with her guru, nothing weird about online dating, but when you hear how Wes explains his soul splitting theory and how "soul mate" is crucial to break the grid and stop reincarnating back to this earth, that's fifty shades of enlightenment. Uncomfortable.
I used to laugh back so casually when some sheeples make fun of our craziness, such solid defense mechanism. How I wish they would do it more often, and the enlightened ones would just listen, I wish I've listen. The vibe in the deep-woo is melancholy, seeing all the hooks of unhealthy mental memes they are spreading, I should be disgusted, but then there is this sadness when I see the "donate so we can save humanity" plea, they are their own gurus and victims. I still care a bit of the old members, even to Wes himself, mostly just because they are a part of my old cringey memories, don't read too much into it. So I decided not to post this at his store-front forum. He seems to be really needing that Patreon money with his third true love.
Funny how the "nugget picking" method works both ways, instead of looking at the context of my whole post, you selected the one that I political-incorrectly called Wes a "crazy" and tried to use it against the whole context. You see what you want to see. When I say "things are only in your head", you know exactly what I meant, but instead, you bring up a unfalsifiable philosophical debate of "consciousness manifests your head and not the other way around" and use it as a strawman to distort my meaning. Stop looking at my finger, you know exactly what "things are only in your head" means, you know I'm pointing at the moon.
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Post by ML on Feb 27, 2019 14:38:43 GMT
Mironlang, ADHD salesman cuteness as usual. Your internet excitement makes me remember the good old days, how Penre elegantly designed every rules so formally with such caring and always with "love, Wes" at the end of a post but then decided to delete it all within days, like a child with a serious face explaining the game rules to his friends but suddenly left all the mess behind because mom's calling for supper, and how people deleting accounts and re-register like a teenage girl's temporary silent-treatment to someone that she wishes to come back and treat her like a princess again. Easily triggered even with such divine "wisdom". The whole thing is child-like, not in the "find your inner child" way, which itself is merely another instagram-level philosophy, overrated, overhyped. It were those tiny things that made me started to question: these are the people that hold the most important knowledge in the world right now? Really? But I don't want to be like them... Nightdreamer and Roger Stanley went full mental on youtube, a member hacked into the old forum to gather personal informations, another member started dating with her guru, nothing weird about online dating, but when you hear how Wes explains his soul splitting theory and how "soul mate" is crucial to break the grid and stop reincarnating back to this earth, that's fifty shades of enlightenment. Uncomfortable. I used to laugh back so casually when some sheeples make fun of our craziness, such solid defense mechanism. How I wish they would do it more often, and the enlightened ones would just listen, I wish I've listen. The vibe in the deep-woo is melancholy, seeing all the hooks of unhealthy mental memes they are spreading, I should be disgusted, but then there is this sadness when I see the "donate so we can save humanity" plea, they are their own gurus and victims. I still care a bit of the old members, even to Wes himself, mostly just because they are a part of my old cringey memories, don't read too much into it. So I decided not to post this at his store-front forum. He seems to be really needing that Patreon money with his third true love. Funny how the "nugget picking" method works both ways, instead of looking at the context of my whole post, you selected the one that I political-incorrectly called Wes a "crazy" and tried to use it against the whole context. You see what you want to see. When I say "things are only in your head", you know exactly what I meant, but instead, you bring up a unfalsifiable philosophical debate of "consciousness manifests your head and not the other way around" and use it as a strawman to distort my meaning. Stop looking at my finger, you know exactly what "things are only in your head" means, you know I'm pointing at the moon. now this is so OrfeoRa.... cmon pls confirm...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 14:42:16 GMT
Seeing tulpa/thought form isn't as unusual as they used to be. Some of the shut-in western youths use the Tibetan tulpa-making technique to manifest their favorite cartoon character so they can have sex with them, they call themselves "tulpamancer" or something, I called it schizophrenia-by-choice. Some of them have a blog about their daily interaction with their tulpas. You see what you really want to see, especially if it's only in your head, and much easier if your brain is below beta wave, half-asleep or drownsy. If you see them on beta wave and above AND you aren't happy about what you see, you should probably talk to someone that isn't Simon Parkes or Kerry Cassidy. Speaking of movies, sometimes we in this community think that our "knowledge" is so high up and special, if a movie or show have the same idea, we WANT them to be a part of the big elite or some demonic force, because we don't want our special knowledge to be easily imagined and told by a few normal folks out of nowhere. They must be a pawn of the big bad controller, the show must have a higher agenda. How about, our wisdomful philosophy and hidden alien warfare aren't that hard to be imagined. Not that groundbreaking. Joe can write it. Happy for you that you made it out of the rabbit hole in one piece Jim. If La La Land really is the place to be, I am sure we will make it back there in our own time. I’m being a bit facitious, but one has to wonder why you are back in “crazy town” or maybe you never really left, just haven’t engaged. I am not sure that anyone can presume to know what other people’s experiences are, but anyway I’ll bite. It just so “happens” that my personal ground level “control” called me crazy the other night (and still isn’t talking to me) because I agreed with someone’s online comment that BlacKkKlansman was propaganda (other monosyllabic and rare conspiracy type comments I have made over time were brought up as well). So I guess the “crazy” label can be given at many levels. Yeah, I remember I mentioned Tulpas to you related to an Indie Wire article about Twin Peaks, so I know a little bit about them, but had / have no inclination to explore further. I don’t know what ‘mode’ I was in. I was a few minutes into “exposing” my “dark aspects” with my eyes closed when I “saw” or “was shown” this thing. I didn’t have any expectations or wants. I guess I sort of imagined that I might gain some connection / expansion / awareness / new insights. Maybe it was just a message for “present”, “past”, “future” singularity / creationist types or maybe it was a message for me to hurry up and wake up and remember who I am in ‘real’ creation, assuming that I am not in ‘real’ creation, but am from there. I am pretty sure I don’t need to speak to anyone, but thanks for the advice. I haven’t personally “seen” much in my life… maybe 4 times : - 1 hallucination (in full colour, seamlessly blended with or overlaying ‘reality’ and labelled “psychotic episode”… the only other possibility being that people were actually put in place in that location, dressed as they were just for me…. which is probably not the case). I wrote about the circumstances surrounding that incident in another post, but not the incident itself.
- a being with long flowing hair who didn’t seem real, sort of tragic and stuck, whom I engaged with from my thinking mind
- the meeting place of good and evil (from above), which was a very interesting expansive experience
- “the creature” from the other night
Ground level stuff I have ‘seen’ could be verified if one had the wherewithal (or not). It matters not to me. As for David Icke and Wes Penre their stuff may well be “controlled leaks”, either wittingly or unwittingly on their part. I imagine that the PTB have a lot of unanswered questions. I am sensing that there will be some pull back on this type of stuff now, along the lines of the shaming and neutralising related to “conspiracy theories”. Ha ha, Trump is a bit of an ace in the hole in that regard. The movie thing is very interesting to me, for obvious reasons. As to high and special knowledge, I don't have any... just commenting on what I see and having some thoughts, normally with more questions than answers. I think I sort of know what is going on in this world, but I vacillate a bit, so get a bit involved in manipulation spotting and exposing. TBH I try not to spend too much time on here. All this thinking is a bit ungrounding. As it is, I have always had my head a bit in the clouds, when its not down a rabbit hole or trying to crack some old hard to crack nut.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 14:50:48 GMT
This is all a waste of time. Whoever our guest is, hiding behind his/her mask is here to cause trouble and rile folks. And I must say the hiding is cowardly and is just spinning his/her wheels with nothing better to do. If you were one of the good kids you would not being doing this. Yawn.
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Post by Ex-Spritruther on Feb 27, 2019 15:26:00 GMT
Putting someone in the "controlled leaks" catalog is like making Obama a reptilian because he has the power that you don't approved of but afraid to challenge, or finding the One-Eye screenshot from any movie and label it as produced by the Illuminati. "I put Wes into the controlled-leak catalog because I don't like him anymore, but I still believe some of his ideas, so in putting him into that catalog, I can sustain my belief with what I wanted to believe." It's an old brilliant self-deceptive trick in human nature. The whole field matured these techniques up naturally to protect its own fantasy, every believer self-taught themselves these skills, it works because most woo fantasies are unfalsifiable and often double-speak. Wes Penre and David Icke are not "controlled leaks", they are someone trying to find a way out of loneliness and fear and uncertainty, just like any other human, but their first ingredient? Paranoid.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 20:21:43 GMT
Putting someone in the "controlled leaks" catalog is like making Obama a reptilian because he has the power that you don't approved of but afraid to challenge, or finding the One-Eye screenshot from any movie and label it as produced by the Illuminati. "I put Wes into the controlled-leak catalog because I don't like him anymore, but I still believe some of his ideas, so in putting him into that catalog, I can sustain my belief with what I wanted to believe." It's an old brilliant self-deceptive trick in human nature. The whole field matured these techniques up naturally to protect its own fantasy, every believer self-taught themselves these skills, it works because most woo fantasies are unfalsifiable and often double-speak. Wes Penre and David Icke are not "controlled leaks", they are someone trying to find a way out of loneliness and fear and uncertainty, just like any other human, but their first ingredient? Paranoid. As I said I enjoy a bit of verbal sparring, so I'll humour you a bit more. I am assuming that this is JimChan with improved English, or a close copy. I remember someone saying that your (Jim's) favourite game was D&D. I had thought that for quite a while myself, although you can never be sure of these things. huh ? huh ? huh ? and huh ? about the Obama / reptilian / power / don't approve thing. I don't care who has power, not that it means much as far as I can tell. The amount of One-Eyes are laughable at this point, case in point: They appear to be making fun of the conspiracy theorists now, but they have been around for quite a while, particularly in music videos. Co-incidental, maybe, but probably not. I don't have any reason to dislike Wes Penre. He himself has said that he has a source (as do a lot of people). His source could be approved to divulge certain information / or not.... but probably. I laughed when I heard Simon Parkes say you have to meet your source at different places each time, like nobody could keep tabs on that if they felt a need to. Hmmm paranoia (key "crazy" word). Like we all got into conspiracy because of loneliness, fear, uncertainty.... and paranoia.... more like it was pouring out of every orifice of the internet of everything and we "synchronistically" landed up at our particular wheel house. "I just so 'happened' to think about this and then I looked at that, which led to that...". Of course, I had read some David Icke some time prior to the great flood. I found out about it because a friend of mine had seen an article about "The Biggest Secret" in a New Age type publication. Of course, a lot of it is rubbish. The more stupid it is, the more likely it came from 'controlled' sources imo... nothing like a little 'crazy' to deflect from actual issues.
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Post by Hans Schokkenbroek on Feb 27, 2019 20:39:01 GMT
Putting someone in the "controlled leaks" catalog is like making As I said I enjoy a bit of verbal sparring, so I'll humour you a bit more. I am assuming that this is JimChan with improved English, or a close copy. I remember someone saying that your (Jim's) favourite game was D&D. I had thought that for quite a while myself, although you can never be sure of these things. Barbara, I think it is highly unlikely that Jimchan moved from Malaysia to a relatively small town in Sweden...... In any case, I think the conversation is diverting from the topic which I personally do not support in any case.
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Post by ML on Feb 28, 2019 1:02:47 GMT
, another member started dating with her guru, nothing weird about online dating, but when you hear how Wes explains his soul splitting theory and how "soul mate" is crucial to break the grid and stop reincarnating back to this earth, that's fifty shades of enlightenment. Uncomfortable. And how did you know this?
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Post by Ex-Spritruther on Feb 28, 2019 1:03:13 GMT
If you tell Wes that humanity could still win this galactic war, he will carefully tell you why you shouldn't do that and why you will never win.
This deep-woo fantasy not only depends on paranoid, but also powerlessness, hidden inside the belief structure. We must never fight, because if we win, the whole fantasy ends - Obama is just a human, the PTB is just a bunch of suited up drug addicts, the most powerful man is just like the most powerful monkey in the wood, so small, so temporary, so wet and impolite. No fireballs, no intergalactical wizards, just quantum physics and quantum physics concentrated classical physics.
When Obama is not enough, we make up the Illuminati, when that's not enough, we make up Enki and the Orion Empire, more and more we wanted to make the enemy untouchable. In a way, the more powerless we paint ourselves to be "in this reality", the more freedom we'll be getting from this specific belief, then we can quit dealing with our real problems and things that we are running away from. Imaginary galactic problems are much easier to manage than a midlife divorce. Ask Wes am I right on his next QA video.
Of course you don't fear no Obama, you have a galactic overlord and many interdimentional archons as your enemies, and conveniently, this fantasy comes with an instant-kill technique that makes you untouchable by the evil ones too. The weapon of "pure love" or the fire of our divine seeds, or whatever. In this way, we can disguise our deep powerlessness as special, as divine, as powerful. Of course you don't afraid of Obama.
Kerry Cassidy addicted to the same powerlessness too, I remember her being "losing the plot" when Brexit happens, almost like she's saying, "what, no way, we can't win, I don't want to win." But it's alright now, I believe she patched up that hole by now and make Brexit another trap, she alway does, just like us, another trap, another disinfo agent, another shill. So, one of the methods to check if a conspiracy might be real or just plain woo is to see if you're able to do something about it.
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Post by ML on Feb 28, 2019 2:57:46 GMT
It appears that you (our visitor) will not address my query That is fine... The title of this thread is about abuse but we're definitely way beyond that now..at least with you Ex-Spritruther... its about Wes and his style, activities, etc. I am assuming that you are not a member of his forum because you are here or maybe you are. Its a sure thing that you want to contribute because you have spent some of your energy in posting here, so why not register as a member and we can discuss specific topics... i feel that we can learn from you and vice versa. This thread is about Hyoni complaining about the victims of abuse being exposed to Wes' teachings so it wont be technically proper it we discuss other things here... so what say you? Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 22:08:24 GMT
As I said I enjoy a bit of verbal sparring, so I'll humour you a bit more. I am assuming that this is JimChan with improved English, or a close copy. I remember someone saying that your (Jim's) favourite game was D&D. I had thought that for quite a while myself, although you can never be sure of these things. Barbara, I think it is highly unlikely that Jimchan moved from Malaysia to a relatively small town in Sweden...... In any case, I think the conversation is diverting from the topic which I personally do not support in any case. I am not very tech savvy, but my time in the trenches (aka the rabbit hole), has informed me that those with the wherewithal can appear to be posting from one location when they are in fact posting from another, but I will accept that it is not JimChan and I apologise to him in absentia, although he likely wouldn't care. I agree that these postings have nothing to do with the original subject and that my response may have appeared to diverge a bit from what the guest said, but my thinking was that the reason a lot of these beliefs are floating around the place is because of people's experiences with "entities" or whatever. Which came first is another long and convoluted story. At any rate, I will endeavour not to encourage in future.
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Post by Ex-Spritruther on Mar 4, 2019 20:09:15 GMT
Nobody wants to reincarnate back here endlessly with amnesia, this is the main selling point of this over-produced woo.
Reincarnation is an old and simple idea, of how our ancestors looking at the dead boy, not knowing where it went, and looking at the new born baby, not knowing where it came from, so they connected the two unknown dots together and made an answer out of it to find peace.
Our classical idea of reincarnation is a linear one, and once the idea of Multiverse and Oneness(Initial singularity) gets involved, reincarnation isn't a good idea anymore.
Linear-Reincarnation doesn't work with Oneness, because if you were John, and John were someone else, it then goes on and on, all the way back to the beginning, way back before even Enki got his dingdong chopped off, into timelessness -- everything is your past lives and your future lives, all at the same time. To believe that only certain people were your unique past lives is as close-minded as believing that you are from Sweden. Sweden doesn't exist, it's a collective agreement and label, a belief-based reality, so real yet so unreal.
It goes the same with Multiverse, but unlike Oneness, it doesn't need to trace back to anyone or anything to get the picture -- The first star dust or the first "thing" already has everyone's name on it in the most beginning.
Children have all kind of paranormal phenomenal including remembering past-lives because their brain isn't as grounded as adults, meaning their observation on the world isn't as focus as an adult, they are easier to pick up the thoughts and imagination in the air, or even the information of where the iron of their bodies has been in this linear timeline. Simply put, children are more quantum. And this will be a much tiring post if it involves the idea of how the child's future has been observed by someone before someone observing the present.
Once you're old enough like Bill Ryan and you try to do some past lives regression, what you get is that you mind trying to make up a back story for your current situation just so that the mind could make sense of it, often it's for a bad or traumatic situation.
Without the old idea of reincarnation, many Battlestar Galactical toy figures start to fall, what left is another old question -- what happens when we die. In primary there are always only two possibilities, where at some point they act like two sides of the same coin, supporting each other. One is nothingness, so there is nothing to talk about. The other possibility is Something, and what's happening in this Something always seems obvious to me, but its simplicity is so ridiculous to the point I often rejected the idea, wanting to find something more complex and difficult, like a game of capitalism -- more complex, more truths; more efforts, more goodies.
The afterlife is whatever you want it to be. When your body is dying, the observational level of it starts to rush toward uncertainly, at first you be like a child seeing ghost again, and eventually you "stuck" in the last planck frame of your linear time, and that last frame becomes timelessness, like when you freeze a particle close to absolute zero, it may appears to be still, but its quantum probability is all over the place. Within that timelessness, what you observe or imagine becomes reality, like if you look at that particle, you will get a definite result out of those probabilities.
The catch is that your subconsciousness maybe playing a stronger role than your conscious-consciousness in this "You".
So in theory, the Orion Empire is still real, if you're a true believer, you are going to fight Enki and you're going to win, spoiler alert. But without any disrespect to the artistic side of Wes and John and the Greek girl, I'd only give it a 4 of out 10 stars. Never was a Star War or Star Trek fan.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 0:44:38 GMT
When one presents possibilities then the sky is the limit. But when one claims concrete fact from possibilities that may or may not have happened? Well that one is turning speculation into an attempt to create fact where it might not exist at all.
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Post by Ex-Spritruther on Mar 5, 2019 4:41:23 GMT
When we are facing difficulties like these we can filter out our possibilities with repeatable experiements, peer reviewed studies and experiencers testomonies without conjuring up any unnecessary theoretical entities. That's how we know the earth is not a triangle although that must be a possibility in such infinite Multiverse.
Also, we can pretend to be Kurt Godel and move our Axiom toward the big picture.
NDEs have many flavors. Christian Cloud Realm, Atheist Darkness Realm, Thai Buddhist Hell Fire Realm, Japanese Lonely River Realm, Orion Queen Reptilian Realm(no record yet), these are possibilities with their own axioms, these axioms often conflict with each other when we compare notes, but they are able to squeeze themselves into a larger axiom, which is in this case the "Whatever" in my previous post. On the contrary, this "Whatever" is unable to squeeze itself into any of those realms' axioms, not even the Enki-did-it axiom, because Enki needs a mom, and the Whatever-Axiom is momless and empty, the zero of all numbers.
This is not a belief, it's merely the end loop of a series of endless questionings. Anybody -- if they think it through, with or without external help -- ends at that same point and not able to progress further without repeating itself. Yet this "Whatever" is unbelievable, you are basically doing nothing and believing nothing if you believe it all by itself. Instead, you use it, it's the Space for you to make your belief or to believe other's belief, to make the ouija board spells spooky words. Beside, you were already using it even before you aware of yourself. You thought you have total freewill, but what you are able to "will" was long manifested chaoticly by that "Whatever", with it, you will never have total freewill as an individual, without it, nothing exists, but that's another story.
I remember the defensive phase of "this is my truth". Exactly. And no matter how ridiculous that truth is, it will stay alive because of human nature's many biases. Think Christianity, think Muslim, think flat earth. Maybe I shouldn't laugh so hard at myself and Icke. So is there a truth which allowing all these many truths to be truth truths, allowing their believers to experience something realer than real when they have their own personal NDEs and ADEs? A "a set of all sets" that cures Godel's depression? Whatever.
The point is, there is a difference between the Christianity truth and this deep-woo truth. A boring Christian can be a Christian for his whole life weighting about the same amount of annoyances or madness with decent social acceptances preventing him to goes jihad, but this deep-woo stuff is too experimental, too lonely, and it's never boring. The "bible" is too unfinished, any moment a believer could just go full mental jacket. Look at Nightdreamer, she was just a simple pleiadian soul, but upgraded to Isis in just a few years. And Richard Bruce, and the geometry "dead celebrity today" guy, the Boston guy...
This woo is so quantum uncertain, no damage control, everything in this rabbit hole is a freefall, a caustic "Whatever", and the most amazing part is, the experiencer will never experiencing the falling as falling. Ask Nightdreamer, and hear her tells you how great she feels today.
Not that amazing really, when compared to a happy suicide bomber, but still.
By the way, most newly registered members are auto account registration bots, you don't have to greet them.
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Post by ML on Mar 5, 2019 5:50:47 GMT
Post anything/random things here specially about Enki,Orion,Galactic Events, Narcs, Reincarnation etc...
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Post by ML on Mar 5, 2019 5:56:52 GMT
MOVED it here )))))))))))))))))))))
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 13:35:31 GMT
By the way, most newly registered members are auto account registration bots, you don't have to greet them. But we will anyway just in case. Because this is who we are.
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Post by Somethingsomething on Sept 4, 2019 17:22:53 GMT
I have followed Wes's papers up through level ii, where he talks about Michael Lee Hill. For all of Wes's dislike and distrust of Enki, He doesn't seem to have a problem believing Mr. Hill's claims of being Enki's current incarnation and yet seeing Hill as a good and trustworthy person. Then I Facebooked Michael with this question, to which he said that he talked to Wes about that. And that Wes's answer was that he writes for the fear based masses. (Just to be clear, I don't necessarily believe either of their stories even if I find some of it very intriguing.)
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Post by ML on Sept 5, 2019 0:35:12 GMT
I have followed Wes's papers up through level ii, where he talks about Michael Lee Hill. For all of Wes's dislike and distrust of Enki, He doesn't seem to have a problem believing Mr. Hill's claims of being Enki's current incarnation and yet seeing Hill as a good and trustworthy person. Then I Facebooked Michael with this question, to which he said that he talked to Wes about that. And that Wes's answer was that he writes for the fear based masses. (Just to be clear, I don't necessarily believe either of their stories even if I find some of it very intriguing.) That is truly intriguing somethingsomething thanks!
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