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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 2:17:30 GMT
Forum #1 is open and free, no one gets the boot despite disagreements.
Forum #2 is closed minded and demands participants to pledge allegiance or go away.
Forum #1 is a collection of free thinking individuals.
Forum #2 goosesteps to the marching words of leader.
Forum #1? no butt kissing.
Forum#2 totally scared to offend the guru.
The problem? Leading members of forum #1 also belong to forum #2 and are now criticizing forum #1 comments that criticize forum #2 so as forum #2 members they do not appear as dissidents.
Am I the only one who has a problem with all of this? I politely suggest that if I what I say above is true than forum #1 members loyal to forum #2 move on and pass the torch to the few participating members.
I am very disappointed and hurt that Forum #1 members put guru lead Forum#2 as a preferable place to be.
Be free folks. Life is about you. Not any father or god. You are your spirits probe into this 3D existence. Here the spirit learns hard the lessons through the being of you. This sometimes painful, sometimes joyful world of 3D is here for a reason. You are here for a reason. Seeds? Seeds are the product of our pure and simple intent. Nothing to do with some contest between a messed up god and his alter ego fictitious devil self. Do not ever let any other being tell you how to live. Just have superb intent. It's all we need.
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Post by girlscout on Jan 29, 2020 5:09:43 GMT
Superb intent, nice!!
I pretty much rolled with the flow, thinking reincarnation covered everything I needed.
Make an effort?!? What’s that?! So the “producing fruits” a la JVP was an eye opener. So now I’m doing work to do just that. I think it’s the same as superb intent/action.
Thanks Myka
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 6:29:08 GMT
Forum #1 is open and free, no one gets the boot despite disagreements. Forum #2 is closed minded and demands participants to pledge allegiance or go away. Forum #1 is a collection of free thinking individuals. Forum #2 goosesteps to the marching words of leader. Forum #1? no butt kissing. Forum#2 totally scared to offend the guru. The problem? Leading members of forum #1 also belong to forum #2 and are now criticizing forum #1 comments that criticize forum #2 so as forum #2 members they do not appear as dissidents. Am I the only one who has a problem with all of this? I politely suggest that if I what I say above is true than forum #1 members loyal to forum #2 move on and pass the torch to the few participating members. I am very disappointed and hurt that Forum #1 members put guru lead Forum#2 as a preferable place to be. Be free folks. Life is about you. Not any father or god. You are your spirits probe into this 3D existence. Here the spirit learns hard the lessons through the being of you. This sometimes painful, sometimes joyful world or 3D is here for a reason. You are here for a reason. Seeds? Seeds are the product of our pure and simple intent. Nothing to do with some contest between a messed up god and his alter ego fictitious devil self. Do not ever let any other being tell you how to live. Just have superb intent. It's all we need. Thank you Myka and no, you are not the only one who has a problem with this. This summarizes everything what I have been thinking lately. What happened in the JVP thread is just like in today's reality where people who dare to question World War II are being treated like racists. If I remember well, there is a whole thread on Wes Penre where he was being criticized as well for his actions. I thought this was an open forum where people could be free to write down their experiences, even when it doesn't resonate with others. I am wondering if this is an open forum or a "political correct" forum .... A forum where you can write anything BUT you need to be in favor of JVP and his books ...
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Post by ML on Jan 29, 2020 7:04:13 GMT
Hi Blossom I messaged Myka and i think we have a very appropriate solution to this concern. Just sorting out things and then we will make an announcement. Thanks
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Post by girlscout on Jan 29, 2020 13:00:20 GMT
I suppose I didn’t address the content of Myka’s post, just stated what I gained from JVP info.
I think the intent between the two forums are different. I think that’s fine, folks can choose what environment they want to be in.
I think it’s natural to defend someone you consider a friend - sensitivities tend to rise after attacks are witnessed or felt. I don’t necessarily think it’s fear, is what I mean. Harmony is rare in this world. My cousins used to talk about going home to reconnect with their loving families in order to recharge. My family wasn’t quite like that so their reference was outside of my experience. I think that’s the environment they are intending over there. I find it a good touch point and recharge station myself. I even try to add some electricity to help others recharge.
That is not the intent here, and that’s fine too. Exploring other ideas is good, right?
I’m looking in to Rudolf Steiner lately.
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Post by IW on Mar 13, 2024 4:12:08 GMT
It is 4 years after the original poster, who is now an ex-member of this forum, and I am now seeing this thread!
Where does time speed along to?
I think this must be forum 1 ? And the old JVP forum /forum 2 ? R.I.P. to JVP and I am thinking forum 2 no longer is ?
I would like to clarify my own activity as I am here at forum 1/ ToL and was also for a brief time a member of forum 2 /JVP.
I have never been a follower and most recognize my voice as being independent and somewhat irreverent.
A lot of us at forum 1 got some good internal clarity from JVP work. There are a lot of positives to his book series. IF you haven't read it and if it's still available, I do recommend a read through, especially if you have some sort of religious background, but are not religious believers.
I knew Miron, Hans, and GS and a few others had joined forum2 JVP, and I was thinking about the whys. I also knew that JVP was very suspicious of any competition or dissenters, he had some sort of mental bodyguard(s) surrounding his forum, being the moderators etc..
Like Myka who experienced the forum2 briefly and was kicked out for not being in 100% agreement with JVP's thoughts and practices, I wondered how to see for myself what forum 2 was about, without the "dissenter" label.. an honest look into his mind-work.
I had then told Miron I was going to join and possibly not be active here for a while, I also gave him the option of cutting me out of the admin position as I did not want to "neglect" this forum for forum 2..
Miron then said he was also thinking about not being active here and would think about what to do. This surprised me as I did not consider my actions and how it would affect anyone else here. I don't consider myself as a "giant" important person here at all. Anyhow, I just let it go.
I joined JVP's forum as my real name and posted my pic to go with it, as per his rules over there. And the drama ensued. Good grief a lot of drama over there.
I was in forum 2/JVP for possibly 3 months. After about a month I was invited to be a mod there, and then experienced some definite weird cult-like activities. No disrespect to the man, but he had a deep web spinning mind process of inner circle to inner-inner circle, to inner-inner-inner circle and so on.. I think in the 2 months of moderating, he changed chatrooms, platforms, and secret group within secret group 4 or 5 times. Every time it was a secret from the others to a different level of his personal "thoughts" lol, which now sort of remind me of Xi pooh bear books and thoughts...
There was a huge amount of fear mongering there, people would definitely be fearful of saying anything JVP might consider inappropriate. Several people whom I consider upstanding were kicked out in the 2 months of my being a mod, which I spoke up about, and towards the end I was kicked out also for questioning his madness.
At that time GS was a fairly new member of the inner circle group, she added me back to the group chat after JVP had kicked me out. LOL, he was secretly enraged by this, and re-kicked me out. She said she thought it was an accident that I was "forgotten".. I took about 6-8 months off from forums after that, still keeping an email contact with a few people that had been kicked out also.
I came back to this forum 1, after that, and was so surprised at how different it felt, and Miron had transferred it to Myka, and things were a sad mess.
I mainly write this as an apology to those who felt deserted and possibly "less" important. I never intended harm, but was only curious as to a mind of someone that could write some important insights, beyond religion, only to find out the person was out of his original religion, only to transfer it into the same (pseudo) religion, but with many faults, as any person who deems himself a "leader" will inevitably do.
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Post by jim on Mar 20, 2024 20:37:06 GMT
Freedom and truth reward laziness. The lazier you are towards them, the level of "ask and shall receive" kinda laziness, the closer you get to freedom and truth. Conversely, the more you work hard, visiting and studying schools one after another, the more corruption and bondage you bring upon them. Yet, when you truly embrace laziness and move closer to freedom and truth, they start to bind you. When you have the freedom to choose but opt for inaction to remain in that state of freedom and truth, they transform into their opposite -- pure and primary slavery, creating a perfect circle.
It is essential to choose your bondage, without it, you struggle to exist. Select a bondage that brings you happiness, whether it be gardening, music, selling vacuum cleaners, traveling to a bustling city for a business deal, or painting at a tourist spot for extra Airbnb money.
The pursuit of 'searching for truth' is a complex form of bondage, as it often lacks tangible outcomes or positive conclusions. The reward typically lies in the wisdom gained and the realization of the futility of the quest.
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Post by IW on Mar 24, 2024 13:53:02 GMT
Freedom and truth reward laziness. The lazier you are towards them, the level of "ask and shall receive" kinda laziness, the closer you get to freedom and truth. Conversely, the more you work hard, visiting and studying schools one after another, the more corruption and bondage you bring upon them. Yet, when you truly embrace laziness and move closer to freedom and truth, they start to bind you. When you have the freedom to choose but opt for inaction to remain in that state of freedom and truth, they transform into their opposite -- pure and primary slavery, creating a perfect circle. It is essential to choose your bondage, without it, you struggle to exist. Select a bondage that brings you happiness, whether it be gardening, music, selling vacuum cleaners, traveling to a bustling city for a business deal, or painting at a tourist spot for extra Airbnb money. The pursuit of 'searching for truth' is a complex form of bondage, as it often lacks tangible outcomes or positive conclusions. The reward typically lies in the wisdom gained and the realization of the futility of the quest. Hi Jim, The only reward for truth is freedom, and freedom is its own reward. Being curious of others, might be a chase after knowledge of self. The layers of an onion that holds no secret of its own. But bondage through laziness does not bring any happiness, it may bring a dull mind, dull body, possibly a very dull life. But each to their own of course. Choosing a bondage is similar to choosing a death, not very likely but for some a dearly held dream. You get what you get, choosing a grab bag of sorts. If you struggle to exist, take some deep breaths and relax. Like a cat, what will come will come. Only your level of awareness makes the difference. Take care mobius
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