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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 22:54:15 GMT
Since this name is being tossed around in such a liberal fashion I thought I do a bit of investigating. This name is used just once in the Kings James Bible. Just once.
"The name Lucifer, meaning the morning star, was used in an ironic sense in Isaiah 14:4-22, to refer to the king of Babylon after his defeat by the Persians. This passage was misunderstood by Christian translators, resulting in the widespread Christian view that Lucifer and Satan are one."
Isaiah 14:4-22 reads ….
“How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” Never again is he mentioned.
There is zero connection from a biblical viewpoint that one reference to Lucifer is in anyway connected to the myth of Satan. There are folks out there who claim to be connected using boogie man scare tactics to frighten folks into belief systems that claim Lucifer is this God/Goddess or that God/Goddess in competition with and or in alliance with, or actually is Satan. Fear is a powerful weapon to control the controllable.
Myka from Austin.
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Post by ML on Nov 12, 2019 3:01:14 GMT
Since this name is being tossed around in such a liberal fashion I thought I do a bit of investigating. This name is used just once in the Kings James Bible. Just once. "The name Lucifer, meaning the morning star, was used in an ironic sense in Isaiah 14:4-22, to refer to the king of Babylon after his defeat by the Persians. This passage was misunderstood by Christian translators, resulting in the widespread Christian view that Lucifer and Satan are one." Isaiah 14:4-22 reads …. “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” Never again is he mentioned. There is zero connection from a biblical viewpoint that one reference to Lucifer is in anyway connected to the myth of Satan. There are folks out there who claim to be connected using boogie man scare tactics to frighten folks into belief systems that claim Lucifer is this God/Goddess or that God/Goddess in competition with and or in alliance with, or actually is Satan. Fear is a powerful weapon to control the controllable. Myka from Austin. My take : Lucem (Latin) = Light Fer (latin) = Carry or carrier or bearer so Lucifer means Bearer of light. our next question should be... WHAT-LIGHT?i am quite positive that it is not the True Light that we all came from.... it is a dim light. The light of the world..... it is the light of the DYADIC world... where everything is in halves. It is not whole. Lucifer therefore is he creator of this world. the seen and unseen universe. it includes the Material or Physical world, the Aetheric world and the astral world. Science calls them MATTER, DARK MATTER and DARK ENERGY .. this is the creation of Lucifer. of course she dont want many man to know that it was her... so she hides calling herself many names .. Yahweh is the most famous at this moment. Anu was popular in another time.... Sophia of the gnostic texts was popular in the outbursts of the new age. Thanks Myka from Austin.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 3:12:29 GMT
Since this name is being tossed around in such a liberal fashion I thought I do a bit of investigating. This name is used just once in the Kings James Bible. Just once. "The name Lucifer, meaning the morning star, was used in an ironic sense in Isaiah 14:4-22, to refer to the king of Babylon after his defeat by the Persians. This passage was misunderstood by Christian translators, resulting in the widespread Christian view that Lucifer and Satan are one." Isaiah 14:4-22 reads …. “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” Never again is he mentioned. There is zero connection from a biblical viewpoint that one reference to Lucifer is in anyway connected to the myth of Satan. There are folks out there who claim to be connected using boogie man scare tactics to frighten folks into belief systems that claim Lucifer is this God/Goddess or that God/Goddess in competition with and or in alliance with, or actually is Satan. Fear is a powerful weapon to control the controllable. Myka from Austin. My take : Lucem (Latin) = Light Fer (latin) = Carry or carrier or bearer so Lucifer means Bearer of light. our next question should be... WHAT-LIGHT?i am quite positive that it is not the True Light that we all came from.... it is a dim light. The light of the world..... it is the light of the DYADIC world... where everything is in halves. It is not whole. Lucifer therefore is he creator of this world. the seen and unseen universe. it includes the Material or Physical world, the Aetheric world and the astral world. Science calls them MATTER, DARK MATTER and DARK ENERGY .. this is the creation of Lucifer. of course she dont want many man to know that it was her... so she hides calling herself many names .. Yahweh is the most famous at this moment. Anu was popular in another time.... Sophia of the gnostic texts was popular in the outbursts of the new age. Thanks Myka from Austin. But Miron are you not now creating a boogie woman that does not exist? That is an entire scenario created around just one biblical passage meant to describe a fallen king.
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Post by ML on Nov 12, 2019 3:48:05 GMT
My take : Lucem (Latin) = Light Fer (latin) = Carry or carrier or bearer so Lucifer means Bearer of light. our next question should be... WHAT-LIGHT?i am quite positive that it is not the True Light that we all came from.... it is a dim light. The light of the world..... it is the light of the DYADIC world... where everything is in halves. It is not whole. Lucifer therefore is he creator of this world. the seen and unseen universe. it includes the Material or Physical world, the Aetheric world and the astral world. Science calls them MATTER, DARK MATTER and DARK ENERGY .. this is the creation of Lucifer. of course she dont want many man to know that it was her... so she hides calling herself many names .. Yahweh is the most famous at this moment. Anu was popular in another time.... Sophia of the gnostic texts was popular in the outbursts of the new age. Thanks Myka from Austin. But Miron are you not now creating a boogie woman that does not exist? That is an entire scenario created around just one biblical passage meant to describe a fallen king. you might be correct. but of course i am not betting on it. Its a conclusion that my experience combined with all the things that i am interested in have yielded. Its the result of my craziness.. lol.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 3:57:13 GMT
But Miron are you not now creating a boogie woman that does not exist? That is an entire scenario created around just one biblical passage meant to describe a fallen king. you might be correct. but of course i am not betting on it. Its a conclusion that my experience combined with all the things that i am interested in have yielded. Its the result of my craziness.. lol. Confusious say one cannot write whole book from one fortune cookie. Just sayin lol
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Post by ML on Nov 12, 2019 4:02:17 GMT
you might be correct. but of course i am not betting on it. Its a conclusion that my experience combined with all the things that i am interested in have yielded. Its the result of my craziness.. lol. Confusious say one cannot write whole book from one fortune cookie. Just sayin lol i did not know that. i have responded in the small reply text, i think its also a good reply here : edit : the biggest influence are Angeliki and JVP. Angeliki = The details and scientific accuracy JVP = The conclusions and logic These 2 combined to me have all the answers...... just me of course
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Post by ML on Nov 12, 2019 4:18:34 GMT
Seriously people should pay more attention to the entity named Lucifer..... Wes in his early writings had Lucifer as the main focus. he thinks Lucifer is Enki... i believed him then.. not anymore.
Justinian deception is another piece that is critical.
If people thinks that the entity Lucifer is not real and its just a creation of human that tries to deceive and control us... then what's the next step??
New age? rebellion against government?
more confusion.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 21:56:10 GMT
The Bible is a mess IMO, mash up of different texts, wrongly translated... So what reference do you expect there? It doesn't matter how you call the creator of this world. The real name (if it exists) is most probably a deep secret. Lucifer is what various sects today are using for worshiping this entity. They are probably using other names also, this is just most popular/public.
IMO, the Bible is more of a codex/early law book for the public/plebs. You may know that the Jews have multiple sacred books and they admit you can't really decipher the Torah without them (which is intentional of course). IMO, both Jehovah and Satan are fictional characters and do not describe well what the real creator of this Universe is. I personally think you can get a better understanding by just looking at this creation and judge for yourself... Who could have thought... The name is not important to me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 0:56:04 GMT
The Bible is a mess IMO, mash up of different texts, wrongly translated... So what reference do you expect there? It doesn't matter how you call the creator of this world. The real name (if it exists) is most probably a deep secret. Lucifer is what various sects today are using for worshiping this entity. They are probably using other names also, this is just most popular/public. IMO, the Bible is more of a codex/early law book for the public/plebs. You may know that the Jews have multiple sacred books and they admit you can't really decipher the Torah without them (which is intentional of course). IMO, both Jehovah and Satan are fictional characters and do not describe well what the real creator of this Universe is. I personally think you can get a better understanding by just looking at this creation and judge for yourself... Who could have thought... The name is not important to me. I agree the bible is a huge mess which in turn is made into a bigger mess by those who attempt to interpret the original mess.
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Post by ML on Nov 27, 2019 7:05:19 GMT
It is encrypted, but a mess it is not. Yeah most of the new versions are customized by the Leaders that would use these bibles for the purpose of control and money. words matter, we should all realize that. If a name is given to a supposed creator or god.. then it is fake. that is cool with me. Thanks for posting
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 17:37:45 GMT
I agree that the mess gets even bigger when you try to interpret it, this was my point... I prefer the gospels. Although they are known Greek translation (with errors), they are still better. And of course Jesus is much more likable character then Jehovah. Why you need Satan\Lucifer, when you have Jehovah?
Encrypted? Boy I know so many Bible decoders, they are all insane IMO. My "favorite" ones are the "Bible investors". They "decode" the market cycles from the Bible... No need to say, they do pretty bad...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 2:43:17 GMT
There is zero connection from a biblical viewpoint that one reference to Lucifer is in anyway connected to the myth of Satan. There are folks out there who claim to be connected using boogie man scare tactics to frighten folks into belief systems that claim Lucifer is this God/Goddess or that God/Goddess in competition with and or in alliance with, or actually is Satan. Fear is a powerful weapon to control the controllable. Myka from Austin. I totally agree with this Myka!
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Post by wornout on Jan 28, 2021 0:34:47 GMT
My take : Lucem (Latin) = Light Fer (latin) = Carry or carrier or bearer so Lucifer means Bearer of light. our next question should be... WHAT-LIGHT?i am quite positive that it is not the True Light that we all came from.... it is a dim light. The light of the world..... it is the light of the DYADIC world... where everything is in halves. It is not whole. Lucifer therefore is he creator of this world. the seen and unseen universe. it includes the Material or Physical world, the Aetheric world and the astral world. Science calls them MATTER, DARK MATTER and DARK ENERGY .. this is the creation of Lucifer. of course she dont want many man to know that it was her... so she hides calling herself many names .. Yahweh is the most famous at this moment. Anu was popular in another time.... Sophia of the gnostic texts was popular in the outbursts of the new age. Thanks Myka from Austin. But Miron are you not now creating a boogie woman that does not exist? That is an entire scenario created around just one biblical passage meant to describe a fallen king. I can agree with you wholeheartly that this was in reference to a fallen king who was to be a light bearer (of truth of the Creator ). It was the latin influence which led the English translators to use lucifer and their own personal dogma of turning it into a title/name "Lucifer" for the fallen arch angel. hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/2819/the-latin-word-lucifer-in-the-vulgateSatan just means an adversary from the Hebrew.
We may have a name now from the NagHammadi Library since the church did try to get rid of the gnostics, Yaldabaoth.
This even goes into it deeper and it is well worth the read since it claims that the adversary, Satan stole one of Jesus Christ's titles by making it like it was his, Lucifer.
www.franknelte.net/article.php?article_id=218
Now, neither one of the above articles are even willing to go into the Book of Enoch for a name which gives the names of the fallen ones.
i.e. "6.7 And these are the names of their leaders: Semyaza, who was their leader, Urakiba (Araqiel) , Rameel, Kokabiel, Tamiel, Ramiel, Daniel, Ezeqiel, Baraqiel, Asael, Armaros, Batariel, Ananel, Zaqiel, Samsiel, Satariel, Turiel, Yomiel, Sariel. (see Ch 8 & Ch 69) 6.8 These are the leaders of the two hundred Angels and of all the others with them."
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Post by mironlang on Jan 28, 2021 3:20:41 GMT
Everything is True and False at the same time. THis world is a matrix. the number of possible "reality" is technically infinite. dismissing something is counter productive in my view. The best way to manipulate is for the entities you are manipulating to dont even know that you exists. So concluding that a supposed manipulator does not exist is quite dangerous right? i am not saying that you "believe" what i am saying is keep an open mind. because no one in this world can prove a negative. it is logically impossible. e.g "Unicorn does not exist" Thanks all
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Post by IW on Sept 15, 2022 7:14:32 GMT
I just went from reading jerseyamma's posts, some from Avalon Sol and some from JVP, a lot of talking of early history of America and George Washington; to JVP and the illusions of this world and how all the lies are truths to the Satan worshippers, who must lie as their father lies, which is to twist the truth and make "the way" crooked in eternal fashion.
As this thread starts off with Myka talking of boogey men in control thru fear tactics, trauma based mind control stuff.
It makes me wonder,
can you ever prove something is real in a world of unreal?
We all breathe air, but is it air that keeps us alive? The only way to prove this to one person is for them to stop breathing, but what if they continue living, just in a different form? This would prove to them that they don't need air to live, and they continue on their way.
To those around it would prove that they are not alive, therefore air must be a necessity to live.
Who is right?
Degradation is all around us, most would agree things have changed in the past few years. Some call this end times, where the abyss has opened up and evil is reigning.
For me it is raining, while they are rising, they are also falling. For those with no beginning, there will never be an end.
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