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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 13:01:43 GMT
I have become skeptical about quite some concepts that I came to believe in over the last few years. I recently found the pdf file of Endall Beall in which he clarified the Don Juan teachings about the 2nd cognition awareness, which I posted elsewhere on this forum before. Endall is the first researcher who touched me on a very deep level and what he is telling and writing about deeply resonates with me. I know this will not resonate with some of you, but it does with me.
The fact is that in the spiritual community we are only talking about exiting this 3D matrix, about how bad this world is, that our lives are just illusions, that we are divine and special and how we don't want to be human anymore. But what is indeed wrong with being human? Could it be that we are simply being withheld by this limited perception to become the real human in us?
I didn't put Endall under the Icons category, because I know he doesn't see himself as an icon or even as a spiritual teacher. He is just some human like you and me who managed to get rid of all his ego beliefs and succeeded in advancing to that second cognition awareness level.
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Post by ML on Sept 14, 2019 14:58:07 GMT
my take :
Human means a being who projects and creates his reality because of colors.
Hue = color man = man
it should be noted that man is not the same as human... the trick is embedded in the language...
many people walks this earth, but are they all man?
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saved the pdf by Beall. hoped to read it pretty soon.
Thanks Blossom )))))))
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 15:15:39 GMT
Thanks Miron! Yes, people believe in images and descriptions. But though the word may be wrong, it still remains the same. We try to escape and exit this world to find something better. We do expect to find magic, paradise, something divine that is better than our own nature. When you go through his works, Endall Beall uses the same word as Nietzsche did, man can become the overman by just letting go of all the illusions and beliefs, by just expanding your awareness level. We just need to gain all the energy power that we lost to this illusory world we all created.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 17:32:23 GMT
Based off the Don Juan PDF I have purchased 2 kindle books of his. Not cheap for kindles but Endall's writing and ideas really resonate with me. The practicality and honesty of the writings just plain hit home. Thank you Blossom.
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Post by ML on Sept 16, 2019 4:36:12 GMT
This thread inspired me to start reading Castaneda's "Teachings of DonJuan". I've downloaded it many years ago now on page 8... **slow reader here haha
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 9:45:45 GMT
Endall just announced his Book Preview "Beyond Don Juan: The Third Attention - The Second Cognition" in which he provides more guidance and clarifications in what don Juan taught about the housecleaning process. He already offers here a preview of his chapter 3. This book will be another free pdf offering on the website when it is completed.
3. Explaining Perception
When we talk about perception we generally refer to how we perceive things with our five primary senses. In my book, Emotionalism: How the Human Herds are Controlled, I made the case for the fact that our emotions are an unrecognized-by-science sixth sense. Most people do not yet recognize that we do sense things emotionally as well as through sight, hearing, taste, touch and smell. By this measure, our emotions should be considered a sixth sense, regardless of how often our emotional sensing may mislead us much of the time.
In our world as human beings, using these six senses to perceive the world, we navigate through our lives usually judging circumstances on the most superficial basis. We often make snap judgments based on what these six senses bring to us, and the least reliable of them is the emotional sense because emotions often trigger before any thinking processes engage. Our emotions can bring us to anger or tears quicker than our thought processes can explain why, which often places our emotional sensors at the front of the line where our other sensing capabilities are concerned. This is not to say that our emotional sensing is always incorrect, for under more sedate circumstances they do provide us with insightful information regarding sensing the moods of others. But because our emotional sensing abilities were artificially amplified by the hapiym mind virus to keep itself fed, reactive emotions that trigger an instant outburst, whether that outburst is a positive or negative emotion, are highly unreliable. To step into accurate and objective higher-level perceptual awareness therefore requires the equanimity of our emotions.
This is not to say that our other five senses cannot equally deceive us on occasion. The field of psychology has done thousands of experiments over the century or more of its seeking to solidify itself as a science that proves how easily our perceptions deceive us. And this is not just sensory deception. What our senses bring to our brain can also be misinterpreted and we reach invalid conclusions much of the time. The fact is that our perceptions are highly error prone. Much of this error can be explained through understanding the programming of the virus itself.
For some further explanations about our superficial perception of the world, don Juan explains it partially this way in The Second Ring of Power:
“We are luminous beings. We are perceivers. We are an awareness; we are not objects; we have no solidity. We are boundless. The world of objects and solidity is a way of making our passage on earth convenient. It is only a description that was created to help us. We, or rather our reason, forget that the description is only a description and thus we entrap the totality of ourselves in a vicious circle from which we rarely emerge in our lifetime.
We are perceivers. The world that we perceive, though, was created by a description that was told to us since the moment we were born.
We, the luminous beings, are born with two rings of power, but we use only one to create the world. That ring, which is hooked very soon after we are born, is reason, and its companion is talking. Between the two they concoct and maintain the world. So, in essence, the world that your reason wants to sustain is the world created by a description and its dogmatic and inviolable rules, which the reason learns to accept and defend.
The secret of the luminous beings is that they have another ring of power which is never used, the will. The trick of the sorcerer is the same trick of the average man. Both have a description; one, the average man, upholds it with his reason; the other, the sorcerer, upholds it with his will. Both descriptions have their rules and the rules are perceivable, but the advantage of the sorcerer is that will is more engulfing than reason. You must learn to let yourself perceive whether the description is upheld by your reason or by your will. That is the only way for you to use your daily world as a challenge and a vehicle to accumulate enough personal power in order to get to the totality of yourself.”
What don Juan is relating here about our living in a world of description is that how we perceive the world is mandated by our cultural milieus, our religious indoctrination, our political indoctrination, educational indoctrination and so on. We are told how we should perceive the world by others from the time we are born. As such, our perceptions start out, and remain so throughout our lives for the most part, dictated to us by others. We are told what is considered crazy or not, what is acceptable or not, and all these considerations are governed by our specific herd alignments. The pressure of the group ensures that we all stay in line with these perceptual mandates. As such, we live in a world of superficial illusion and we all accept these perceptual mandates, often when they contradict our direct experiences to the contrary. We fall prey to the rules of the herd more readily than we accept our own perceptions. As such, our perceptions of ‘reality’ are virtually all dictated to us by others. The question is, is this ‘reality’ a real reality, or is it merely an accepted perceptual one? This is not a philosophical question. This externally dictated perceptual reality, in this regard, is merely a description of reality, and we accept these descriptions and rarely challenge them.
Each of us puts on masks for public consumption. We are all walking caricatures, putting on our best face so the hive-infected herds that we associate with will accept us. Within our selective herds we learn to walk the doctrinal walk and talk the doctrinal talk of whatever herds we associate with, down to the level of our personal peer groups and families. We change masks many times a day. There is the work mask, and the home mask, the gabbing with the girls mask, and the boys night out doing sports mask, etc. We are all fakes and liars, but this is to be expected given the fraudulent and deceptive nature of the mind of the predator that controls our consciousness. The insecurity we feel in the presence of others is the insecurity of the virus and its fear of discovery as the fraud that it is. So, we lie to the world and we lie to ourselves on the inside, never seeing the psychosis with which this predatory parasite has infected all humanity. The hive has stolen and mimicked our personality, and in turn, we mimic the virus’ fake personality and, following the instinct directives of its collectivist nature, we in turn lie to the world, and ultimately continually lie to ourselves about our false self-image in a never-ending loop of deception and self-deception. The virus steals our personality, then eventually convinces us that its false ego personality is us. So, we go through our lives living a monumental set of lies and never learn the difference.
Given all the foregoing, then you should now understand what I mean about living in a world of illusion. Just as you put on your public mask in your different situations, everyone else is wearing their masks too. How much reality are you confronted with when you gather with people who are all wearing the mask of convenience to fit in with their groups or herds, selling their own false image to one another? How much validity is to be found in any belief system that requires putting on a mask for the consumption of others?
What don Juan referred to as controlled folly is when we can knowingly wear these varied masks for public consumption. We do not have to learn anything special to perform controlled folly, we have been doing it all our lives. What makes it controlled folly rather than just false ego folly is that the warrior knows that the masks are not reality. Most people make this folly their perception of reality. They do not see their own disingenuousness in all these actions requiring masks for public consumption. They take it as seriously as a coronary bypass and swear up and down that they don’t do such things, but everyone, and I do mean everyone, does it day in and day out their entire lives. For those putting on these masks of illusion, it is truly their perceptual reality. To the warrior they are seen as the cognitive folly that they truly are, the cognitive illusion of the virus false ego.
Perhaps with all these explanations you now understand the superficial world of perception into which we are all locked, little different than the illusionary world of The Matrix, but it is far worse. As human beings we live with a split inside us due to the virus infection, just as don Juan noted. We are two divergent entities thinking we are one. The tonal side is the waking state human personality. The nagual side is the false world and false personality of the mimicked virus ego. The path of the warrior is to eradicate all the habits and false perceptions the predatory virus from the stars has installed in us and reclaim our humanity and see the real world, not the limited fantasy world of mysticism, supernaturalism and false perceptions perpetrated as a crime against our consciousness by the virus infection.
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Post by merlin on Sept 30, 2019 0:43:55 GMT
I recently heard about him from a YT comment, saying the Orion queen isn't actually benevolent.
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Post by ML on Sept 30, 2019 0:55:59 GMT
I recently heard about him from a YT comment, saying the Orion queen isn't actually benevolent. based on everything that i have studied and paid attention to. That is correct.
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Post by merlin on Sept 30, 2019 1:02:10 GMT
I recently heard about him from a YT comment, saying the Orion queen isn't actually benevolent. based on everything that i have studied and paid attention to. That is correct. I've seen a few people say this about the Orion empire, what are your sources on this? Cheers
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Post by ML on Sept 30, 2019 1:08:37 GMT
based on everything that i have studied and paid attention to. That is correct. I've seen a few people say this about the Orion empire, what are your sources on this? Cheers The Gnostics scripts that referenced to the queen as Sophia. mainly John Panella mate. Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 7:00:36 GMT
This is actually what Endall has to say about the so-called Goddess/Orion Queen
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Post by ML on Oct 1, 2019 1:15:30 GMT
This is actually what Endall has to say about the so-called Goddess/Orion Queen many aware people are ensnared by this agenda. talking points are usually : 1. Avoid the Patriarchal setup and Masculinity are bad 2. Do not surrender your power to anyone but you must recognize a queen. She's a queen but treat you as equal
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Post by ML on Oct 1, 2019 1:44:08 GMT
I remember dowloading Beall's PDF but i cant find it in my local drive.
Can anyone pls give me a link to his shared books?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 9:23:56 GMT
This is actually what Endall has to say about the so-called Goddess/Orion Queen 2. Do not surrender your power to anyone but you must recognize a queen. She's a queen but treat you as equal Yup and Wes goes even further by claiming that we are PART of the queen. As in ... give up your individuality?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 9:29:10 GMT
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Post by ML on Oct 1, 2019 13:32:21 GMT
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Post by Hans Schokkenbroek on Oct 3, 2019 10:03:02 GMT
I am reading "Clarifying the Don Juan Teachings" with interest. I have not yet finished it but I am finding many explanations that I have personally experienced on my journey. Thank you Blossom for bringing this to my attention.
When Blossom started posting his work I started listening to a podcast and was immediately put off by his regular swearing. Personally that feels very wrong but that is a personal thing. I am just sharing what happened to me. Nevertheless I felt drawn to the thread and eventually started reading this PDF about Castanada. Of course I have been aware of Castanda's books but was never drawn to reading them.
Below is a passage from the book that triggered me to post. So I will post .
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There is a context to the passages below which was not presented in Castanada’s books but which I will explain now for those willing to listen and learn. Everyone who embarks on the spirit path is looking for something. Regardless of who you are or where you live in the world, whatever has drawn you to the spirit path is driven by one ego desire or another, whether that is the belief that you can find God, join with the Divine or cosmic Oneness, gain mystical healing abilities, become a telepathic psychic or perform magnificent feats of magic. There is no one who embarks on this path that hasn’t started from one selfish ego desire or another, and if you deny this, you are only lying to yourself about the motives that put you on this path.
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I have contemplated the above words and as always I can only talk about my personal journey and experiences. In my case I experienced something that could not be explained by anything that I had learned in my life so far. In hindsight it was the release of the trauma of losing our first daughter that triggered my quest for increased consciousness.
Again considering his words I have thought about this but the trigger / desire that put me onto the exploration for spiritual knowledge had absolutely nothing to do with a belief to find God, join with the Divine or cosmic Oneness, gain mystical healing abilities, become a telepathic psychic or perform magnificent feats of magic.
All of these things have passed by during my path (and they still do) but the trigger was simply experiencing something that I could not explain and the inner desire to explore it. It was tough because it went against everything I had learnt and more importantly it meant going against the wishes of my beloved wife. It was tough to chose this but it was just an inner push to find out what 'this' was.
But it was definitely coming from desire. The work of Angeliki explains that aspect very well. The biggest ego trap we have as humans is the natural state of desire which causes us to project we are lacking something. And as a result we get exactly that.... we always lack something. This as opposed to living consciously from a state of gratitude for all we have which is a projection that brings abundance into your life.
My explanation is very simple. It was my Higher Self or Inner Self or Inner Guidance or Nagual or whatever you want to call it who finally got through to me and managed to grab my attention.
I guess we all are constantly trying to explain why things are happening and how we got here and why we are here. I did a lot of that and have come to the current working model / conclusion that all I have to is follow my feelings. Let myself be totally guided by my feelings. I have stopped wanting to put it into an explanation. As long as I am here I will never have the full picture and I will not claim to have any answers. Yes certain things resonate with me more than others but ultimately it does not matter whether that is correct or wrong. What matters (to me) is being totally self reliant, being true to my inner self, being totally me by following my inner guidance. That has brought me onto this wonderful path.
Will continue to read the book and potentially his other work if I feel I have to. Thank you Blossom for posting it. There can be no wisdom without knowledge and knowledge has to come from information which we then have to discern...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 11:03:57 GMT
I am reading "Clarifying the Don Juan Teachings" with interest. I have not yet finished it but I am finding many explanations that I have personally experienced on my journey. Thank you Blossom for bringing this to my attention.
When Blossom started posting his work I started listening to a podcast and was immediately put off by his regular swearing. Personally that feels very wrong but that is a personal thing. I am just sharing what happened to me. Nevertheless I felt drawn to the thread and eventually started reading this PDF about Castanada. Of course I have been aware of Castanda's books but was never drawn to reading them.
Below is a passage from the book that triggered me to post. So I will post .
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There is a context to the passages below which was not presented in Castanada’s books but which I will explain now for those willing to listen and learn. Everyone who embarks on the spirit path is looking for something. Regardless of who you are or where you live in the world, whatever has drawn you to the spirit path is driven by one ego desire or another, whether that is the belief that you can find God, join with the Divine or cosmic Oneness, gain mystical healing abilities, become a telepathic psychic or perform magnificent feats of magic. There is no one who embarks on this path that hasn’t started from one selfish ego desire or another, and if you deny this, you are only lying to yourself about the motives that put you on this path.
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I have contemplated the above words and as always I can only talk about my personal journey and experiences. In my case I experienced something that could not be explained by anything that I had learned in my life so far. In hindsight it was the release of the trauma of losing our first daughter that triggered my quest for increased consciousness.
Again considering his words I have thought about this but the trigger / desire that put me onto the exploration for spiritual knowledge had absolutely nothing to do with a belief to find God, join with the Divine or cosmic Oneness, gain mystical healing abilities, become a telepathic psychic or perform magnificent feats of magic.
All of these things have passed by during my path (and they still do) but the trigger was simply experiencing something that I could not explain and the inner desire to explore it. It was tough because it went against everything I had learnt and more importantly it meant going against the wishes of my beloved wife. It was tough to chose this but it was just an inner push to find out what 'this' was.
But it was definitely coming from desire. The work of Angeliki explains that aspect very well. The biggest ego trap we have as humans is the natural state of desire which causes us to project we are lacking something. And as a result we get exactly that.... we always lack something. This as opposed to living consciously from a state of gratitude for all we have which is a projection that brings abundance into your life.
My explanation is very simple. It was my Higher Self or Inner Self or Inner Guidance or Nagual or whatever you want to call it who finally got through to me and managed to grab my attention.
I guess we all are constantly trying to explain why things are happening and how we got here and why we are here. I did a lot of that and have come to the current working model / conclusion that all I have to is follow my feelings. Let myself be totally guided by my feelings. I have stopped wanting to put it into an explanation. As long as I am here I will never have the full picture and I will not claim to have any answers. Yes certain things resonate with me more than others but ultimately it does not matter whether that is correct or wrong. What matters (to me) is being totally self reliant, being true to my inner self, being totally me by following my inner guidance. That has brought me onto this wonderful path.
Will continue to read the book and potentially his other work if I feel I have to. Thank you Blossom for posting it. There can be no wisdom without knowledge and knowledge has to come from information which we then have to discern...
You're welcome Hans! I agree with you, we don't need to put things into boxes and put labels to everything. Endall is only writing these books just in order to describe his own experiences and that is what he mentions a lot: You can't really know anything without having experienced it. As for the swearing, I do agree with you. But I try not to let myself be led by it. What he has to say is more important to me.
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Post by angel on Oct 4, 2019 5:42:18 GMT
Well, I'm not ruling out the possibility of Queen of The Stars (or whatever she's called these days) being benevolent, but I do have a tough time believing that Orion Empire as the whole is benevolent, so I'm not completely invailding his feelings on it in spite of his language.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 0:30:43 GMT
So I have read the 3 books of the "We are not alone" series. Now I am reading "The Truth of the Divine soul". Maybe Blossom can chime in here a bit because I am a bit confused by an element of his writings. Not long ago I posted a Endall quote..... "You did not incarnate as a human being on this planet to escape. You came here to do a very hard job."
Now reading The Truth of the Divine soul Endall declarers there is no afterlife. None. His theory on the "mind virus" is very much emphasized. The mind virus might compared to Goddard's "Garbage". Thoughtforms. Recordings of you and all humanity but not the real you. He claims this mind virus probably infected the physical Gods as well. These are our ghosts, daemons and wannabe Gods.
Where I am confused is my quote says we incarnated, like we chose this. Then he says in another book there is no afterlife. Well if I/we chose to come here then we pre-existed right? My thinking is well why would I not exist after exiting this life? Signed confused LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 8:25:44 GMT
Hi Myka, I haven’t yet read the ‘The Truth of the Divine Soul” yet, so I don’t know yet what he has written to explain why he mentioned that there is no afterlife. I have though read “The Energetic War against Humanity" in which he largely explains about the Afterlife Misconception. Please find hereafter some parts in which he explains it in more detail. What I think he means by 'there is no afterlife', is that the “afterlife” we have been indoctrinated with is just the realm of the Hive Collective (or the Ascended Masters or the Divine White Brotherhood as they also call it). I don’t think he means that we don’t incarnate anymore as humans, but that this realm is a fabricated one, meant to deceive humans.
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“The greatest frauds perpetrated against humanity are the doctrines put forth by religions in regard to the afterlife. I think valid teachings were passed down to certain members of our species by some of the offworld contributors to our gene pool when they taught us about reincarnation. This truth has become corrupted over the ages by the cosmic hapiym hive, telling our species stories about karmic payback to be used as a weapon of fear to make people adhere to religious ideologies and be forced to comply with the whims of Aryan priesthoods throughout the ages. Where the doctrine of the afterlife became most corrupted in more modern times is through the concept proposed through Christianity and that is the belief that you only have one life to live and you better get right or you’ll go to Hell for eternal damnation. This ‘one life to live’ doctrine has placed the focus on the afterlife of the individual and has spawned the belief that when you die you will move on to the afterlife as the same person you were in life.
Given the nature of the hapiym virus and its utter identification with its host personality, I think we can readily see where this survival of the individual personality is mostly deeply seated. Without the personality of the host it has stolen, the hapiym virus is nothing. It is a blank slate upon which each infected human personality is written and it is this stolen personality that seeks this communion with the alledged Divine hive and that has such keen focus on its individuated personality survival in the afterlife. I can safely assure you that every concept or vision of the afterlife is nothing more than a view into the planetary hive environment and every vision of this afterlife, whether through visionary experiences intentionally sought after, or through near death experiences, is a contrived view of the energetic fiction of the hive realm, nothing more and nothing less.
Once death occurs, the individual hapiym virus that inhabits our bodies gravitates to the planetary hive cluster. Given the fact that each hapiym cell takes on the personality of its host, we then have to face the extreme likelihood that when people have their visionary experiences and meet their dead relatives on the other side, are they really their dead loved ones or simply simulacrums, nothing but hapiym masqueraders passing themselves off as the personalities of our loved ones? The instilled desire to know that our personality survives bodily death is a powerful perception builder, so when these visionary experiences take place, we automatically default the idea that we have been to ‘heaven’ and met our dear departed loved ones. Since humanity has been infected with this mind virus from the time we were created, we have to ask if this is an inherent human desire or if the angst we feel over death is more that of the virus itself passing its own insecurities into our consciousness?
The emotions sown by not knowing, or the fear of Hell, keeps the hapiym energetic environment filled with dread over making the wrong decision where the afterlife is concerned. To much of humanity, the afterlife holds more concern than the life they are living and that suits the hive controllers tremendously because it keeps our focus away from discovering what we can become as a species and leaves us ever reliant on some unknown supernatural future event to shape our lives.
Sadly, humanity has bought into the afterlife myth peddled by the inorganics, so our interpretations have all been tainted through their incessant intervention and manipulation of our cognitive evolutionary processes. Our species has been so indoctrinated with the God complex that when one has any type of supernatural encounter with the hive stolen consciousnesses, the default is to the idea that such encounters are Divine, or they come from angels or whatever. It is specifically due to this programming that few, if any, ever question these experiences more deeply.
We always have to remember that no matter the superficial doctrines passed down to humanity through their belief systems, there is always a hapiym hidden agenda. When you read the Tibetan Bardo Thodol, there is a passage that describes how it is the soul that is moving into the realm of the Bardo, when in actuality, the Bardo realm is simply the hive mind of the Brotherhood hapiym. A hapiym cannot reincarnate nor be reborn as a soul. Any hapiym cell is only a mimicked duplicate of the form it inhabits, it can never be anything more than the memories of any specific human incarnation. It can’t advance in consciousness because at the end of the day, the hapiym virus is nothing more than a data recorder. When the hapiym leaves the body, it can carry the memories and even emotional responses and knowledge of its host, but nothing more.”
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 8:53:50 GMT
Mmmm ... I didn't read your entire post and didn't comment properly. Sorry about that Anyway, I just leave my previous post to give more insight in his vision about the "afterlife". Yes, I am as confused as you about what happens then to the real us. I don't think he means that nothing of the real us is left, once the hapiym mind gravitates to the hive collective. Unfortunately I haven't yet read anything from him to clarify that. When I think about it myself, I don't think it is merely possible that our real self just stops existing. Maybe he has written about it in other books to clarify this. But on the other hand, what I think is that our true self is kind of split after death (split from the personality and emotional body) and remains confused (because it has lost all or most of its memories), goes into this fabricated realm (light tunnel) or wanders off to another place and chooses to incarnate once again. Another thing is, once we remove the ego in ourselves, the only thing that is left is your real self. Up to now, few humans have managed to do that and I think that these people, once they die will have a more expanded view after death.
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Post by ML on Oct 6, 2019 12:33:13 GMT
with the risk of sounding like an arrogant fool. i just feel that I need to say that : 1. I am sure of how and what my/our situation is. 2. I know almost zero thing of how this world really works, because of the deep lies that most us thought were the truth. 3. We all must go inside of us not outside. because inside is our 'real' connection to each other 4. I love you all
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 13:39:50 GMT
with the risk of sounding like an arrogant fool. I thought the arrogant fool was my job!
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Post by IW on Oct 6, 2019 20:17:48 GMT
I don't think I've read/listened? as much as Blossom or Myka, but I like and agree with this part of Endall's writing which speaks to me (you can't help anyone, they can only help themselves):
Knowledge versus Understanding In The Fire From Within don Juan emphasizes understanding over simple knowledge: Your concentration has to be total. To understand is of crucial importance. The new seers placed the highest value on deep, unemotional realizations. For instance, the other day, when you understood about your self-importance, you didn't understand anything really. You had an emotional outburst, that was all. I say this because the next day you were back on your high horse of self-importance as if you never had realized anything. The same thing happened to the old seers. They were given to emotional reactions. But when the time came for them to understand what they had seen, they couldn't do it. To understand one needs sobriety, not emotionality. Beware of those who weep with realization, for they have realized nothing. There are untold dangers in the path of knowledge for those without sober understanding. I am outlining the order in which the new seers arranged the truths about awareness, so it will serve you as a map, a map that you have to corroborate with your seeing, but not with your eyes.
Everybody falls pray to the mistake that seeing is done with the eyes.
Seeing is not a matter of the eyes. It is possible for us as humans to know many things, to possess vast amounts of knowledge on an intellectual level. This type of knowledge most often amounts to a wealth of presumed 'facts' collected in our personal inventory, which many often quote as the basis of their knowledge. Being able to cite these types of facts by rote and memorization, or from indoctrinated education, is not 'understanding' in the sense which don Juan is relating, even if one builds on the facts they know with their own opinions. It is merely reciting beliefs predicated upon what our world calls knowledge. We see this same form of professing knowledge in the spiritual community, where people can spout all sorts of memorized doctrinal ideas by rote, claiming that they have spiritual knowledge, yet who lack any type of experience that will grant them an ounce of understanding about what they claim to know. Many get very defensive if someone with real understanding challenges their presumed knowledge. It is this inherent defensiveness that personally keeps me from interfacing with many people on a spiritual level. You can't tell anyone anything that they think they already know. One can't fill an already full cup.
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Post by ML on Oct 7, 2019 1:16:56 GMT
I don't think I've read/listened? as much as Blossom or Myka, but I like and agree with this part of Endall's writing which speaks to me (you can't help anyone, they can only help themselves):
Knowledge versus Understanding In The Fire From Within don Juan emphasizes understanding over simple knowledge: Your concentration has to be total. To understand is of crucial importance. The new seers placed the highest value on deep, unemotional realizations. For instance, the other day, when you understood about your self-importance, you didn't understand anything really. You had an emotional outburst, that was all. I say this because the next day you were back on your high horse of self-importance as if you never had realized anything. The same thing happened to the old seers. They were given to emotional reactions. But when the time came for them to understand what they had seen, they couldn't do it. To understand one needs sobriety, not emotionality. Beware of those who weep with realization, for they have realized nothing. There are untold dangers in the path of knowledge for those without sober understanding. I am outlining the order in which the new seers arranged the truths about awareness, so it will serve you as a map, a map that you have to corroborate with your seeing, but not with your eyes.
Everybody falls pray to the mistake that seeing is done with the eyes.
Seeing is not a matter of the eyes. It is possible for us as humans to know many things, to possess vast amounts of knowledge on an intellectual level. This type of knowledge most often amounts to a wealth of presumed 'facts' collected in our personal inventory, which many often quote as the basis of their knowledge. Being able to cite these types of facts by rote and memorization, or from indoctrinated education, is not 'understanding' in the sense which don Juan is relating, even if one builds on the facts they know with their own opinions. It is merely reciting beliefs predicated upon what our world calls knowledge. We see this same form of professing knowledge in the spiritual community, where people can spout all sorts of memorized doctrinal ideas by rote, claiming that they have spiritual knowledge, yet who lack any type of experience that will grant them an ounce of understanding about what they claim to know. Many get very defensive if someone with real understanding challenges their presumed knowledge. It is this inherent defensiveness that personally keeps me from interfacing with many people on a spiritual level. You can't tell anyone anything that they think they already know. One can't fill an already full cup.
agreed. neuroplasticity I 1st encountered and recognized this when i was reading WPP. but as i go on. i experience it more and more. How you see your reality depends on the attributes of your brain. If the configuration of the brain is of the old narrative then information that requires understanding of the new narrative wont get through. in my experience. if a certain info/truth is encountered. you will feel something.... to me its like my head is getting bigger and i had goosebumps for minutes maybe more than 5 minutes.....i observed it.
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Post by girlscout on Oct 7, 2019 4:22:19 GMT
So I have read the 3 books of the "We are not alone" series. Now I am reading "The Truth of the Divine soul". Maybe Blossom can chime in here a bit because I am a bit confused by an element of his writings. Not long ago I posted a Endall quote..... "You did not incarnate as a human being on this planet to escape. You came here to do a very hard job." Now reading The Truth of the Divine soul Endall declarers there is no afterlife. None. His theory on the "mind virus" is very much emphasized. The mind virus might compared to Goddard's "Garbage". Thoughtforms. Recordings of you and all humanity but not the real you. He claims this mind virus probably infected the physical Gods as well. These are our ghosts, daemons and wannabe Gods. Where I am confused is my quote says we incarnated, like we chose this. Then he says in another book there is no afterlife. Well if I/we chose to come here then we pre-existed right? My thinking is well why would I not exist after exiting this life? Signed confused LOL. It is confusing, and I think his viewpoint evolves as he goes along. He does agree we have a PSOYCA which continues to exist, once we awaken it, so perhaps he’s delineating differences in “afterlife” between awakened and not? Also, his website had a post the the hive was destroyed in November 2016. I look forward to more info on that! i am reading the Common Sense Revolution now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 9:26:14 GMT
So I have read the 3 books of the "We are not alone" series. Now I am reading "The Truth of the Divine soul". Maybe Blossom can chime in here a bit because I am a bit confused by an element of his writings. Not long ago I posted a Endall quote..... "You did not incarnate as a human being on this planet to escape. You came here to do a very hard job." Now reading The Truth of the Divine soul Endall declarers there is no afterlife. None. His theory on the "mind virus" is very much emphasized. The mind virus might compared to Goddard's "Garbage". Thoughtforms. Recordings of you and all humanity but not the real you. He claims this mind virus probably infected the physical Gods as well. These are our ghosts, daemons and wannabe Gods. Where I am confused is my quote says we incarnated, like we chose this. Then he says in another book there is no afterlife. Well if I/we chose to come here then we pre-existed right? My thinking is well why would I not exist after exiting this life? Signed confused LOL. "Also, his website had a post the the hive was destroyed in November 2016. I look forward to more info on that!" Yes girlscout Endall mentions this several times in "The Truth of the Divine soul " but so far he has not reasoned as to how he came to that conclusion. A statement should have a base that can be studied.
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Post by girlscout on Oct 7, 2019 13:41:23 GMT
"Also, his website had a post the the hive was destroyed in November 2016. I look forward to more info on that!" Yes girlscout Endall mentions this several times in "The Truth of the Divine soul " but so far he has not reasoned as to how he came to that conclusion. A statement should have a base that can be studied. Gemma responded to my inquiry that more details will be in the Hinterlands book that is currently being written. For now it boils down to accepting someone’s word about it. Have any of the three books you’ve finished given instructions on how to explore and discern these things ourselves?
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Post by girlscout on Oct 7, 2019 13:58:21 GMT
So I have read the 3 books of the "We are not alone" series. Now I am reading "The Truth of the Divine soul". Maybe Blossom can chime in here a bit because I am a bit confused by an element of his writings. Not long ago I posted a Endall quote..... "You did not incarnate as a human being on this planet to escape. You came here to do a very hard job." Now reading The Truth of the Divine soul Endall declarers there is no afterlife. None. His theory on the "mind virus" is very much emphasized. The mind virus might compared to Goddard's "Garbage". Thoughtforms. Recordings of you and all humanity but not the real you. He claims this mind virus probably infected the physical Gods as well. These are our ghosts, daemons and wannabe Gods. Where I am confused is my quote says we incarnated, like we chose this. Then he says in another book there is no afterlife. Well if I/we chose to come here then we pre-existed right? My thinking is well why would I not exist after exiting this life? Signed confused LOL. Endall does seem to imply that once we’re in touch with our PSOYCA (or develop our PSOYCA?), we are able to exist beyond the body. My impression is that it’s not a given, it has to be worked for. I wonder if any of his described processes changed once the hive was wiped out.
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