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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 20:17:22 GMT
I mentioned in another thread that it might be beneficial to put our heads and thoughts together on this subject as it is an eyeopener for sure. Please feel free to post any thoughts you have on the "Fall of Sophia"
I'm still pondering JVP's take on this and I will, just to confuse everyone post opinions from other writers on this same subject.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 7:06:32 GMT
I mentioned in another thread that it might be beneficial to put our heads and thoughts together on this subject as it is an eyeopener for sure. Please feel free to post any thoughts you have on the "Fall of Sophia" I'm still pondering JVP's take on this and I will, just to confuse everyone post opinions from other writers on this same subject. Thank you for creating this thread Myka. This is a great thread and I think, just like you and me, others may feel the need to discuss this more in detail. I would like to start sharing my thoughts about the divine feminine. I have long accepted the divine feminine and the Orion Queendom, but I have often had a deeper inner voice telling me otherwise. How can we be whole if we do not accept the other side? How can one part of us be superior to the other? In my case it was charming to hear about a goddess mother, because I lacked a mother throughout this life. In fact when I was reading the WPP, I remember how thoughts went through me (although I put these thoughts aside), raising questions as to why there have been so many wars in which the Orion Queendom was involved (or played the leading role), they even used the same type of mind control techniques that are used here on Earth in order to accept the Queen as their ruler … Why would there now suddenly be a “loving” Queen that is more peaceful than ever before? I somehow see the same thing happening as we see here on Earth … First we have Satan/Marduk ruling Earth and then we have the Messiah, our savior coming to save us from all the bad …. As in the tree of knowledge of the good and the evil ….
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Post by Henrik on Sept 3, 2018 10:38:38 GMT
I take this to mean Panellas latest "secret" article. I just read through it. What can I say? It ties "everything" together. The story is really making sense now, and I can see the lines between the gnostic texts and Sophia and everything else. Everything is really starting to connect. I really don't have too much to say at this time other than this
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 21:13:07 GMT
Ok I am going to throw this out there from John Lamb Lash. JLL is a serious student and writer on Sophia. His views can be rather anti-Christian at times (understand this is from my point of view) but he has a lot of experience in the Sophia Myth. Because of this it would be a shame to exclude his views. I post this because it is very much opposite of JVP's revelations.
"Lucifer is Sophia, the fallen goddess of Aeonic luminosity now embodied in the earth. It takes a "satanic conversion" within the syntax of human imagination to produce the specious fiction of Satan. Without the implex, there is no Satan, no agent of evil, literal or imaginary. The actual satanic adversary working against humanity is the off-planet father god, the Demiurge, Ialdabaoth, the lord archon. It is impossible to (for?) humanity to recognize and defeat this alien enemy as long as its identity remains concealed behind the psychotic fiction of Satan-Lucifer-Devil. Be certain on this point: The power of that psychotic fiction operates nefariously in the human mind in ways that can only be overcome and reversed by a superior power, by true counter-magic, biophilia overcoming biophobia, pleasure and delight overcoming pain and suffering, self-love overcoming guilt and shame." -JLL
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 21:21:05 GMT
And more from JLL this with hints of Wes'/Steichen
It was natural for the Watchers/Nephilim/Orion Men to lust after the Gaian women, their genomic counterparts of the female gender. Even Milton's Paradise Lost, which adheres closely to the official Biblical myth of the creation of Eve from Adam's rib, contains glimmering hints of the split-genome narrative. Book 8, line 495 records the sublime moment when the male of the anthropine species recognizes his perfect mirroring in a female counterpart: "I now see Bone of my Bone, Flesh of my Flesh, my Self before me." But the natural lust between the two genders of the same genomic plasm came under risk of perversion due to cross-species violation of evolutionary boundaries. In the FGS, the archons are the remote cosmic cousins of humanity, spawned anomalously before the earth itself was formed. Not partaking of the human genomic endowment, they feel envy for the human race and contrive to despoil it. From the reaches of the solar system beyond the earth, the archons lust for earthbound women, epitomized mythologically as Eve. The Sophianic narrative derived from Coptic materials describe how the archons lust after Eve, but the text states explicitly how she escaped their embrace. Then the Archons approached Adam. and when they saw his female counterpart speaking with him, they became greatly agitated and in arousal for her. They said to one another, "Come let us sow our seed in her," and they pursued her. And she, the mother of the living, laughed at them for their witlessness and blindness; and in their clutches she turned into a tree, and left before them her shadowy reflection resembling herself. (The Hypostasis of the Archons, 15-25)
However, the Gaian women did not escape the embrace of the Orion Men, the Watchers. Over many eons of time, the life of the Gaian women was profoundly altered by the magical arts taught to them by their nebular counterparts. Arts of cosmetic disguise, make-up and tatooing, totemic magic, seduction techniques (stalking) and, last but not least, archery. Again, the Book of Enoch.
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Post by ML on Sept 5, 2018 1:39:29 GMT
Ok I am going to throw this out there from John Lamb Lash. JLL is a serious student and writer on Sophia. His views can be rather anti-Christian at times (understand this is from my point of view) but he has a lot of experience in the Sophia Myth. Because of this it would be a shame to exclude his views. I post this because it is very much opposite of JVP's revelations. "Lucifer is Sophia, the fallen goddess of Aeonic luminosity now embodied in the earth. It takes a "satanic conversion" within the syntax of human imagination to produce the specious fiction of Satan. Without the implex, there is no Satan, no agent of evil, literal or imaginary. The actual satanic adversary working against humanity is the off-planet father god, the Demiurge, Ialdabaoth, the lord archon. It is impossible to (for?) humanity to recognize and defeat this alien enemy as long as its identity remains concealed behind the psychotic fiction of Satan-Lucifer-Devil. Be certain on this point: The power of that psychotic fiction operates nefariously in the human mind in ways that can only be overcome and reversed by a superior power, by true counter-magic, biophilia overcoming biophobia, pleasure and delight overcoming pain and suffering, self-love overcoming guilt and shame." -JLL I dont see any conflict between JLL and JVP. We just need not to pay attention to 'words' / 'terminologies' ... in my mind its perfectly clear.. Thanks
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Post by ML on Sept 5, 2018 4:18:35 GMT
Even Wiki has it 'accurately' Sophia (Koine Greek: Σοφíα "Wisdom", Coptic: ⲧⲥⲟⲫⲓⲁ "the Sophia"[1]) is a major theme, along with Knowledge (γνῶσις gnosis, Coptic sooun), among many of the early Christian knowledge-theologies grouped by the heresiologist Irenaeus as gnostikos, "learned." Gnosticism is a 17th-century term expanding the definition of Irenaeus' groups to include other syncretic and mystery religions.[2] In gnosticism, Sophia is a feminine figure, analogous to the human soul but also simultaneously one of the feminine aspects of God. Gnostics held that she was the syzygy (female twin divine Aeon) of Jesus (i.e. the Bride of Christ), and Holy Spirit of the Trinity. She is occasionally referred to by the Hebrew equivalent of Achamōth (Ἀχαμώθ, Hebrew: חכמה chokhmah) and as Prunikos (Προύνικος). In the Nag Hammadi texts, Sophia is the lowest Aeon, or anthropic expression of the emanation of the light of God. She is considered to have fallen from grace in some way, in so doing creating or helping to create the material world. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_(Gnosticism)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 13:30:41 GMT
Ok I am going to throw this out there from John Lamb Lash. JLL is a serious student and writer on Sophia. His views can be rather anti-Christian at times (understand this is from my point of view) but he has a lot of experience in the Sophia Myth. Because of this it would be a shame to exclude his views. I post this because it is very much opposite of JVP's revelations. "Lucifer is Sophia, the fallen goddess of Aeonic luminosity now embodied in the earth. It takes a "satanic conversion" within the syntax of human imagination to produce the specious fiction of Satan. Without the implex, there is no Satan, no agent of evil, literal or imaginary. The actual satanic adversary working against humanity is the off-planet father god, the Demiurge, Ialdabaoth, the lord archon. It is impossible to (for?) humanity to recognize and defeat this alien enemy as long as its identity remains concealed behind the psychotic fiction of Satan-Lucifer-Devil. Be certain on this point: The power of that psychotic fiction operates nefariously in the human mind in ways that can only be overcome and reversed by a superior power, by true counter-magic, biophilia overcoming biophobia, pleasure and delight overcoming pain and suffering, self-love overcoming guilt and shame." -JLL I dont see any conflict between JLL and JVP. We just need not to pay attention to 'words' / 'terminologies' ... in my mind its perfectly clear.. Thanks Ok but do understand I never used the word conflict nor did I suggest there was any. I did say I would add material to "confuse" and I did mean the rather lightheartedly. But JVP had decided Sophia is the problem where JLL believes she is the solution. Even Wiki is offering 3 possible scenarios as to the nature of her existence. I can post quotes from another large resource that believes her spirit has incarnated into human form a number of times including 1 or more of the Mary's involved in the life of Christ. Is anyone wrong? I can't say.
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Post by ML on Sept 5, 2018 14:15:00 GMT
I dont see any conflict between JLL and JVP. We just need not to pay attention to 'words' / 'terminologies' ... in my mind its perfectly clear.. Thanks Ok but do understand I never used the word conflict nor did I suggest there was any. I did say I would add material to "confuse" and I did mean the rather lightheartedly. But JVP had decided Sophia is the problem where JLL believes she is the solution. Even Wiki is offering 3 possible scenarios as to the nature of her existence. I can post quotes from another large resource that believes her spirit has incarnated into human form a number of times including 1 or more of the Mary's involved in the life of Christ. Is anyone wrong? I can't say. I see your point. ITs really complicated and there's really so much i dont know.. hahaha Its a good thing there's our parent for guidance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 21:20:06 GMT
This is a few paragraphs from Rudolf Steiner's work as presented by the Gabriel's who are involved in the Gospel of Sophia movement. He has vast writings and taught about 100 years ago. I feel he is very much unappreciated.
"Douglas Gabriel | @2015 | All Rights Reserved The Mysteries of Sophia “Each person resembles the God he or she understands.” ~ Rudolf Steiner, The Nature of the Virgin Sophia
Who is Sophia? Is She the Holy Spirit or the wisdom aspect of Christ?
Is She an amorphous primal soup, a duality of heavenly and earthly, the breath that weaves in between the Male Trinity?
Is She a group of syzygies that have united with the Male Trinity? Even after Rudolf Steiner’s indications on Isis, Isis‐Sophia, and Anthroposophia, we find many anthroposophical writers expressing completely different opinions of who this multifaceted being is. Rudolf Steiner said repeatedly that a detailed biography of the being of Isis‐Sophia‐ Theosophia‐Philosophia‐Natura‐Anthroposophia could be written, yet it would seem, at first glance, that he said little about Her. In his book, Riddles of Philosophy, Steiner describes the evolution of philosophy and indicates that She is a being who has grown alongside of human intellectual and spiritual development since 2100 BC. He even describes Anthroposophia as a 42 year old human being (without a physical body) who passes through the individual each time a step in spiritual development is taken.
Steiner said that She was ‘in the room’ during the laying of the foundation stone of the Goetheanum and the Christmas Conference. Who is this being of Sophia and how is a spiritual scientist supposed to sort through the many and varied opinions about her existence? Can we uncover Steiner’s mysterious indications, and find the biography of Sophia?
One of the most accepted versions of Sophia is that She, in some enigmatic way, is the Holy Spirit. As such, She can be found in sacred literature to be one of the creative (or receptive) principles present at the moment of creation. Solving the mystery of how an un‐manifest God (no one has ever seen God the Father and lived) manifests the created cosmos is bewildering. Often, Sophia (Wisdom) is there at creation as a “reflection”, “mirror”, or “epiphany” of the Father God. But at the moment of creation, She is marginalized or demoted from Her Creatrix position to one that is a creature of the Creator.
She takes on the role of one who has been created, not one who creates. The logical need for a feminine presence at creation is obvious: Who in nature gives birth to offspring? How could Earthly nature be so radically different than what occurred at a cosmic level whereby, supposedly, the “masculine” gave birth to creation?"
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