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Post by ML on May 10, 2018 11:09:05 GMT
While there are plenty of beings who weren’t supposed to be here who have no emotions like the reptilians, there are some who do have what could be considered compassion, at least to some degree. But those who actually have what we would refer to as actual feelings have long since been taken off planet and given new homes, OR they were allowed to remain on-planet as long as they agreed to observe the Emerald Covenant of non-interaction with the Angelic Humans to continue their evolution as best they can while dozens of other species remain here to torment them in every way imaginable plus other ways no sentient mind has ever been able to fathom.
dth p.162
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Post by ML on May 31, 2018 10:17:17 GMT
How is it that the sun is not dictating the time of day, if the procession of the sun was the basis for the time dial to begin with? It is because each country has been cordoned off by ownership to differing invader races (Sumerians) who run their country (world) “this way”, based on “this” TIMELINE of technological and belief system advancement the way each ruler desires. Under the Luciferian Covenant, this ownership is real, just as much as the border separating your country from the next is a real place where you have to check out of this country before you can check in to that one. Borders aren’t about keeping the bad-guys out, its about keeping the assets of that country in, and if they leave, to keep them in check. The Eye of Isis Treaty (also known as the Camel’s Eye Treaty) delineated jurisdiction of all earth soil (not water) as that of Lord of Earth Samael’s (Marduk Satain), and then later the differing quadrant-vectors are portioned out to various gods below him.
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Post by girlscout on May 31, 2018 13:33:35 GMT
So, is the point of our existence to survive this? What are the graduating requirements? I’ve heard to “be decent”.
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Post by ML on Jun 1, 2018 0:29:02 GMT
So, is the point of our existence to survive this? What are the graduating requirements? I’ve heard to “be decent”. In my view. This one experience will add up to each set of experience. We decide when to graduate and move on.
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Post by ML on Jun 8, 2018 8:45:40 GMT
in the hologram, the pixels will never move from here to there. Spacetime pixels don’t move either. The energy song of the crystals traveling through each pixel does, but not the spacetime vectors themselves. That means as you walk from the middle of your room toward the door, the particles that you are “made out of” do not travel with you to the door. They stay right there, and as you pass through the pixel particles of aether, “you” become illuminated into what looks like reality.
dth p. 208
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Post by ML on Jun 14, 2018 9:09:45 GMT
I could send a laser beam between earth and Mars that would tell the fractals along that line that would look like light that my intent was for them to talk faster, which would then be heard by every fractal in a direct path between where I was now and where I wanted to be. They would instantly respond, which would reduce the “distance” between us to zero, allowing me to step off of earth and onto Mars in the blink of an eye.
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Post by ML on Jun 22, 2018 10:47:36 GMT
Luna wasn’t placed there just as a floating mobile office to pull levers on the hologram; it sets the circadian rhythm by regulating the flows of the tide (electromagnetic energy discharge-rhythm that powers the surface of the planet). By sloshing the waters, the friction blends the oxygen from the lighter water above with the heavy water below, releasing the crystal energy into the oceans much faster than it would otherwise. This artificially increases gravitational push. The sun shuts off the melatonin production of the body, then the moon sets the circadian rhythm to further force you to have to sleep each day in order to keep up with the flashline sequence set by the sun. Think bionic hamster wheel. More on that later.
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Post by ML on Jul 9, 2018 8:44:43 GMT
It is important to keep in mind that all these terms are meant to confuse you, not to make things clear to anyone. They are a special language of and unto themselves that you must learn before you can become a doctor, not because they clarify the issue, but because your captors own language on this planet, and how you use language has everything to do with communication with the aether.
dth p. 241
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Post by kellsbells on Jul 9, 2018 16:44:08 GMT
While there are plenty of beings who weren’t supposed to be here who have no emotions like the reptilians, there are some who do have what could be considered compassion, at least to some degree. But those who actually have what we would refer to as actual feelings have long since been taken off planet and given new homes, OR they were allowed to remain on-planet as long as they agreed to observe the Emerald Covenant of non-interaction with the Angelic Humans to continue their evolution as best they can while dozens of other species remain here to torment them in every way imaginable plus other ways no sentient mind has ever been able to fathom.dth p.162 This is so much bs. why would the beings that had compassion agree to leave or stay as long as they agreed to observe the Emerald Covenant of non-interaction? While DOZENS OF OTHER SPECIES REMAIN TO TORMENT. So the other species do not have to adhere to the Emerald Covenant? If they don't have to observe it, then neither does the beings with compassion!! This is the biggest bs cop-out that Avalon has tried to pass off as truth. What UTTER B.S.. If the dozens of other species remain to torment us, then the ship has sailed in terms of observing any covenant, as far as I am concerned. This is just another BS excuse, so that the "supposed compassionate beings" can observe it all. If it looks like BS, smells like BS, walks like BS, it's BS. period. Just dumb excuses that gullible beings accept. No acceptance is an option. period.
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Post by duckie on Jul 10, 2018 1:56:05 GMT
While there are plenty of beings who weren’t supposed to be here who have no emotions like the reptilians, there are some who do have what could be considered compassion, at least to some degree. But those who actually have what we would refer to as actual feelings have long since been taken off planet and given new homes, OR they were allowed to remain on-planet as long as they agreed to observe the Emerald Covenant of non-interaction with the Angelic Humans to continue their evolution as best they can while dozens of other species remain here to torment them in every way imaginable plus other ways no sentient mind has ever been able to fathom.dth p.162 This is so much bs. why would the beings that had compassion agree to leave or stay as long as they agreed to observe the Emerald Covenant of non-interaction? While DOZENS OF OTHER SPECIES REMAIN TO TORMENT. So the other species do not have to adhere to the Emerald Covenant? If they don't have to observe it, then neither does the beings with compassion!! This is the biggest bs cop-out that Avalon has tried to pass off as truth. What UTTER B.S.. If the dozens of other species remain to torment us, then the ship has sailed in terms of observing any covenant, as far as I am concerned. This is just another BS excuse, so that the "supposed compassionate beings" can observe it all. If it looks like BS, smells like BS, walks like BS, it's BS. period. Just dumb excuses that gullible beings accept. No acceptance is an option. period. I love your passion, kellsbells!!
I'll start this by saying that I do not believe in everything that Avalon says. I do think he is telling what he believes to be true. I don't think he's fibbing or try to confuse us in any way. But I think from all our various discussions, we have now come to a point where we realize not every researcher has complete knowledge about everything. We've got to pluck out the little pearls along the way, and leave the rest behind.
I think the one thing we shouldn't forget is permission. The dark forces do not adhere to this, obviously since they have been manipulating humanity for millenia. It's probably appropriate to say that we (humanity) have given our permission away for them to do whatever they wish. They only have to observe the bare minimum (and even then, it's questionable) that they have told us the truth about whatever, and we decided to go along with it. We were the ones who gave them permission to enslave us, suck our energy, recycle our souls, etc.
But the benevolent forces, the ones who could do something about it, cannot and will not break this law. And it is a law. For them to break it, even if it IS in our best interest, is a huge violation -- akin to black magic. Two wrongs will not make it right.
I've learned so much about this concept of "informed consent" ever since I started various energy and healing practices. Did you know that my first class in shamanism was on "ethical consideration"? We absolutely cannot do a thing, even if we know that it's in the client's very best interest, if we do not have their informed consent. And not just consent, mind you, INFORMED consent. A person has to know the consequences, the methodologies, the fine print, etc., and not just the feel-good stuff. It's like an employer telling you "We'll give you a million dollars a year if you accept this job", and not tell you that you'll have to work 80 hours a week, move to the middle of nowhere and will never have a life you can call life again.
So yeah, had we known what we were getting into, we probably wouldn't have accepted it. But we did. The good guys can't do anything about it, because it was our choice.
But also remember that they can't do anything for us collectively. That does not mean that you as an individual can't do something about it, for yourself, and for others through your interaction with them. Educate people, wake them up. Our individual souls is what makes up this ocean of humanity. Once you start a ripple, it multiplies in waves.
Even on an individual basis, I have found that there is so much benevolent help waiting nearby. I started down this awakening path several (three?) years ago. In the beginning, I was given little chunks of information to absorb. It seems that lately, knowledge has been coming to me more frequently and in bigger chunks -- if that makes sense. But it has to be when we are ready. If someone isn't ready and isn't willing to learn and grow, no matter how much knowledge and healing you give them, they are not going to get it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 3:00:26 GMT
I also love the passion Kellsbells. Many "known" researchers of our path base their teachings and beliefs on the opinions of those that came before them, those they read. They explain the myths sometimes without first hand knowledge.
Here is the problem with no holds barred, including my foul language. There is shit out there. I can't stress enough there is shit out there. I would not be hanging out with you folks if there was not. Very, very few have first hand experience. They have visions, they intuitively know. Hmm I wonder.
I am one of the few I know of that has had first hand experience and I am talking visitations. Twice in my life. Understand I do not have a bunch of whoppers to tell y'all. When I was pre teen my family moved out of a small industrial city into the country. I was not real happy as I moved away from my friends into a strange new environment of cows and fields. My bedroom faced the back yard and woods beyond and was 2nd floor level in height. One night as I was laying down awaiting sleep the ugliest of gargoyle like beings appeared in the window. Stupid right? No one sees things like this. But there in the window being illuminated by a flood light on the corner of the house appeared this creep. Small and dark skinned it was and it looked right at me. Ugly as sin itself. I froze. I mean I could not move. Not sure if this bastard made me freeze or fear made me freeze but basically I passed out and do not remember anything until awaking the next morning. I never told anyone ever about it. Not even my parents in the morning nor do I talk about it to this day except with you. I did have one more visitation like 22 year later but was nothing compared to the thing in the window. Funny being from New England I use to like visiting Newport Rhode Island when in my 20's and 30's. Take the tour of the Vanderbilt mansions. Huge "summer homes" of the filthy rich. What decorates the elaborate exteriors of these dwellings? Dwellings made from the sweat and blood and pain of those who made the Vanderbilts Rich? Gargoyles. Stone gargoyles decorate the buildings.
I cannot tell you to believe me ok? It is the craziest story ever. One the haunts my mind to this day. I am not a teacher nor desire to be. I can only say be strong, be kind and be ready. This place is strange.
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Post by ML on Jul 10, 2018 4:30:16 GMT
While there are plenty of beings who weren’t supposed to be here who have no emotions like the reptilians, there are some who do have what could be considered compassion, at least to some degree. But those who actually have what we would refer to as actual feelings have long since been taken off planet and given new homes, OR they were allowed to remain on-planet as long as they agreed to observe the Emerald Covenant of non-interaction with the Angelic Humans to continue their evolution as best they can while dozens of other species remain here to torment them in every way imaginable plus other ways no sentient mind has ever been able to fathom.dth p.162 This is so much bs. why would the beings that had compassion agree to leave or stay as long as they agreed to observe the Emerald Covenant of non-interaction? While DOZENS OF OTHER SPECIES REMAIN TO TORMENT. So the other species do not have to adhere to the Emerald Covenant? If they don't have to observe it, then neither does the beings with compassion!! This is the biggest bs cop-out that Avalon has tried to pass off as truth. What UTTER B.S.. If the dozens of other species remain to torment us, then the ship has sailed in terms of observing any covenant, as far as I am concerned. This is just another BS excuse, so that the "supposed compassionate beings" can observe it all. If it looks like BS, smells like BS, walks like BS, it's BS. period. Just dumb excuses that gullible beings accept. No acceptance is an option. period. Thank you so much for that reply. it made me think...and think...and think.. It would be awesome if you can spend more time here.
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Post by ML on Jul 10, 2018 4:37:19 GMT
I also love the passion Kellsbells. Many "known" researchers of our path base their teachings and beliefs on the opinions of those that came before them, those they read. They explain the myths sometimes without first hand knowledge. Here is the problem with no holds barred, including my foul language. There is shit out there. I can't stress enough there is shit out there. I would not be hanging out with you folks if there was not. Very, very few have first hand experience. They have visions, they intuitively know. Hmm I wonder. I am one of the few I know of that has had first hand experience and I am talking visitations. Twice in my life. Understand I do not have a bunch of whoppers to tell y'all. When I was pre teen my family moved out of a small industrial city into the country. I was not real happy as I moved away from my friends into a strange new environment of cows and fields. My bedroom faced the back yard and woods beyond and was 2nd floor level in height. One night as I was laying down awaiting sleep the ugliest of gargoyle like beings appeared in the window. Stupid right? No one sees things like this. But there in the window being illuminated by a flood light on the corner of the house appeared this creep. Small and dark skinned it was and it looked right at me. Ugly as sin itself. I froze. I mean I could not move. Not sure if this bastard made me freeze or fear made me freeze but basically I passed out and do not remember anything until awaking the next morning. I never told anyone ever about it. Not even my parents in the morning nor do I talk about it to this day except with you. I did have one more visitation like 22 year later but was nothing compared to the thing in the window. Funny being from New England I use to like visiting Newport Rhode Island when in my 20's and 30's. Take the tour of the Vanderbilt mansions. Huge "summer homes" of the filthy rich. What decorates the elaborate exteriors of these dwellings? Dwellings made from the sweat and blood and pain of those who made the Vanderbilts Rich? Gargoyles. Stone gargoyles decorate the buildings. I cannot tell you to believe me ok? It is the craziest story ever. One the haunts my mind to this day. I am not a teacher nor desire to be. I can only say be strong, be kind and be ready. This place is strange. I BELIEVE YOU I have ( I think ) a CRAZIER story than that but i can't find the wordings... I still can experience it.. mostly on week-ends....but not as intense when i was 20 yrs old.....I'll post more in details later but the experience was as i reconnect it is like "Neo's experience in the MATRIX but with demons instead of the agents" we are all crazy..but the question is ARE WE CRAZY ENOUGH?
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Post by IW on Jul 10, 2018 7:53:30 GMT
I'm too lazy to go through and like all of this thread, so I'll just say here-- This is great! **Like**
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Post by kellsbells on Jul 11, 2018 18:04:46 GMT
The more and more that I think about it, I am certain that the lies of "we agreed to be here" and "this is a school of learning" and all such lies, are just that. Lies. Lies to get our agreement after the fact. I was contemplating how my own gullibility has been a huge problem in my life. I have in the past, automatically believed whatever someone or thing told me. That is a huge problem for angelic humans, this gullibility, because we can't conceive that someone would lie. Why would they lie about that? is a common thing I would say and think. I realize now that gullibility has been "weaponized" against us. We accept their lies as being the truth, and we have cognitive dissonance about all these things. I feel VERY STRONGLY, that we should not accept any of these lies that we agreed to any of this. What we did agree to was to come here for a one time game, which led to our entrapment. I always get this image in my mind of two women statues, with their head thrown back, mouths open in astonishment, and frozen in place. Like frozen as a virus does to a computer. We have to stop being gullible about this and proclaim that we DO NOT AGREE!. I DO NOT AGREE TO BE A PRISONER OF THIS PRISON PLANET ANY LONGER. I DO NOT AGREE, AT ALL, WITH THIS AGENDA, TO KEEP US PRISONERS, HERE OR THERE, ANY LONGER. I feel this is something that we all must awaken to, that we must come to this conclusion, or the trap will never end. No more agreement, or accepting of responsibility for our predictament. No more, will I be led astray by well meaning platatudes. No more mr nice guy. Every time I see a film or show that demonstrate what they are up to, I say "I do not agree with this, and on behalf of all sleeping humanity, I command that they do not agree either". I command it - as should everyone. We need to be assertive in our commanding of our power. It is ours to use and so we should.
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Post by girlscout on Jul 11, 2018 19:40:06 GMT
Races who are involved in exploration and the manipulation of worlds such as yours rely upon genetic breeding. The races that they breed are bred for certain purposes and are often deprived of any individualistic qualities, even to the extent that they have no compassion for one another. They are inbred, and their natural tendencies toward self-preservation are also limited. The problem of collective breeding coincides with the development of large technological nations that must exert uniformity and control, particularly if they have foreign establishments. To have disorder amongst the population is always a potential and a constant problem, and this problem has in many places been addressed through an emphasis on collective breeding. But collective breeding has its own hazards, for it is extremely difficult to create the desired results with absolute assurance. There have been cases even in your local districts where classes of bred individuals have turned against their masters, destroying the infrastructure that they were meant to serve. Unable then to fend for themselves because they were not designed for this, they led to great disorder and had to be destroyed. It is an imperfect science. Even though it has been cultivated to a very, very fine degree of specificity, it is still an imperfect science. For you cannot create what God has created, and you cannot completely manipulate what God has created. A biological entity has other qualities that are beyond the control of genetic manipulation. Amongst more ethical races, collective breeding has been avoided because it is unethical, because it destroys the capabilities of the individual and because its end results often prove to be unpredictable and even chaotic. Therefore, advanced ethical nations do not engage in this practice. www.newmessage.org/the-message/volume-4/life-universe/genetic-manipulation-humans
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Post by girlscout on Jul 11, 2018 19:50:35 GMT
Developing skill in the mental environment is a great preoccupation amongst technically advanced nations, for it holds great promises of power and discernment and, in some cases, even the outside control of the experience of others. This power is something that humanity has only begun to discover and to develop. While influence is practiced in many ways in your world, certainly in every family and in every nation, it still represents a set of skills that humanity is only beginning to discover and to discern. It is a power. Because it is a power, it requires great responsibility and the guidance of Knowledge to be used correctly and appropriately. Like any power, it can be used for good or ill. In the Greater Community, the power of the mental environment represents a real frontier beyond the limits of technology, for in regions where nations have much contact with each other, they have over time developed parity in terms of technology. It is rare that one will have a great technological advantage over another for very long. So the subtle skills employed to discern the intentions of others, to plant ideas in the minds of others and to utilize one’s knowledge of another’s nature, skills and predispositions become of great importance in seeking advantage and in avoiding disadvantage. These skills are being brought to bear upon humanity at this time by those commercial forces who are in the world today trying to pacify humanity, trying to win human allegiance, trying to convince people in positions of power of the superiority of the Intervention’s goals and the weakness of humanity’s leadership and skills in dealing with the difficult times ahead. These forces who are in your world are not military forces. They are depending entirely upon human acquiescence and thus bring their skill in the mental environment, which is the only real power that they have, to achieve their goals, to diminish resistance to their presence and to increase people’s desire for their claims of leadership and authorship here in this world. www.newmessage.org/the-message/volume-4/life-universe/power-knowledge
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Post by girlscout on Jul 12, 2018 13:59:10 GMT
Developing skill in the mental environment is a great preoccupation amongst technically advanced nations, for it holds great promises of power and discernment and, in some cases, even the outside control of the experience of others. This power is something that humanity has only begun to discover and to develop. While influence is practiced in many ways in your world, certainly in every family and in every nation, it still represents a set of skills that humanity is only beginning to discover and to discern. It is a power. Because it is a power, it requires great responsibility and the guidance of Knowledge to be used correctly and appropriately. Like any power, it can be used for good or ill. In the Greater Community, the power of the mental environment represents a real frontier beyond the limits of technology, for in regions where nations have much contact with each other, they have over time developed parity in terms of technology. It is rare that one will have a great technological advantage over another for very long. So the subtle skills employed to discern the intentions of others, to plant ideas in the minds of others and to utilize one’s knowledge of another’s nature, skills and predispositions become of great importance in seeking advantage and in avoiding disadvantage. These skills are being brought to bear upon humanity at this time by those commercial forces who are in the world today trying to pacify humanity, trying to win human allegiance, trying to convince people in positions of power of the superiority of the Intervention’s goals and the weakness of humanity’s leadership and skills in dealing with the difficult times ahead. These forces who are in your world are not military forces. They are depending entirely upon human acquiescence and thus bring their skill in the mental environment, which is the only real power that they have, to achieve their goals, to diminish resistance to their presence and to increase people’s desire for their claims of leadership and authorship here in this world. www.newmessage.org/the-message/volume-4/life-universe/power-knowledgeThese folks are actively educating, and also advocate withdrawing consent. Their view, though, is that we have completely different players involved than in the past.
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Post by ML on Jul 13, 2018 1:42:13 GMT
The more and more that I think about it, I am certain that the lies of "we agreed to be here" and "this is a school of learning" and all such lies, are just that. Lies. Lies to get our agreement after the fact. I was contemplating how my own gullibility has been a huge problem in my life. I have in the past, automatically believed whatever someone or thing told me. That is a huge problem for angelic humans, this gullibility, because we can't conceive that someone would lie. Why would they lie about that? is a common thing I would say and think. I realize now that gullibility has been "weaponized" against us. We accept their lies as being the truth, and we have cognitive dissonance about all these things. I feel VERY STRONGLY, that we should not accept any of these lies that we agreed to any of this. What we did agree to was to come here for a one time game, which led to our entrapment. I always get this image in my mind of two women statues, with their head thrown back, mouths open in astonishment, and frozen in place. Like frozen as a virus does to a computer. We have to stop being gullible about this and proclaim that we DO NOT AGREE!. I DO NOT AGREE TO BE A PRISONER OF THIS PRISON PLANET ANY LONGER. I DO NOT AGREE, AT ALL, WITH THIS AGENDA, TO KEEP US PRISONERS, HERE OR THERE, ANY LONGER. I feel this is something that we all must awaken to, that we must come to this conclusion, or the trap will never end. No more agreement, or accepting of responsibility for our predictament. No more, will I be led astray by well meaning platatudes. No more mr nice guy. Every time I see a film or show that demonstrate what they are up to, I say "I do not agree with this, and on behalf of all sleeping humanity, I command that they do not agree either". I command it - as should everyone. We need to be assertive in our commanding of our power. It is ours to use and so we should. My Take : "we agreed to be here" We already know that we are eternal and considerably 'powerful' beings...we are aware.... so with that i am positive that we wont be in this 'realm'/'reality'/3d/Earth unless WE AGREED. .. in that sense the phrase is TRUE or CORRECT.its like we are these giant powerful babies being approached by small low energetical but cunning beings. We are babies but yet powerful we can easily crush the small creatures but we didnt because its not in our nature. the problem began when the small creatures convinced us to 'experience' some exciting and fun looking activities. at first we just come back to being powerful giants after each experience, but the small creatures offered yet more exciting and fun 'experiences' by removing our memory ..... however..... we were deceived and betrayed... and we did not agree to this ( of course we didnt. is there someone in this world that would agree to be betrayed? deceived? ) in that regard the phrase is FALSEand "this is a school of learning" THe amnesia factor makes this phrase very complicated. if we are considering "Re-member-ing" as a form of learning then this phrase is TRUE or if you are convinced that there are experience here that you have not experience prior. but if you are convinced that we already know everything prior to the amnesia and remembering is not learning then this phrase is FALSE-- Paradoxical our world is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 2:52:16 GMT
I for one do not remember agreeing to be here. Or being asked even. I feel I was installed here. No choice what so ever. I had a short weird moment today walking back to my car at the market. It dawned on me I was walking on legs. For one brief 15 seconds it felt unnatural that I should be traveling in this manner. Odd.
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Post by ML on Jul 13, 2018 3:06:23 GMT
I for one do not remember agreeing to be here. Or being asked even. I feel I was installed here. No choice what so ever. I had a short weird moment today walking back to my car at the market. It dawned on me I was walking on legs. For one brief 15 seconds it felt unnatural that I should be traveling in this manner. Odd. Yeah we are installed into deep loops.... infinitely actually. by remembering the key we can go back. but the thing is right now we don't remember. because we agreed to be mind wiped... do we have a chance in remembering that we 'agreed' while manifested? *Just me...i highly doubt it are we going to remember it while not manifested? ABSOLUTELY!
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Post by ML on Jul 13, 2018 5:42:43 GMT
Yeah we are installed into deep loops.... infinitely actually. by remembering the key we can go back. but the thing is right now we don't remember. because we agreed to be mind wiped... do we have a chance in remembering that we 'agreed' while manifested? *Just me...i highly doubt it are we going to remember it while not manifested? ABSOLUTELY! By we I mean us here in the forum... most of us.... Others have their souls fragmented and all with 'beliefs' and whatnot's . The programs gets attached to the soul. the body mind had very strong effect on the soul mind that whatever beliefs they have while manifested transcend into the soul mind.... "They believe in a savior" of course they will see a savior... The AIF/Anu Elohim/Luciferian's will gladly help on this of course.
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Post by ML on Jul 15, 2018 11:07:16 GMT
From JVP's last article titled
"The Geode Sphere and the Conundrum - The Brutal Truth of our Realm"
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Post by IW on Jul 15, 2018 19:21:42 GMT
As far as Avalon, JVP and others insisting that WE AGREED and others who are fairly adamant that they DID NOT agree. I am not sure why this is a point to contend?
Does it make one feel better to know they agreed? or Does it make one feel better to know they didn't and were trapped?
I am sure it was both!
Some agreed and others were tricked and trapped, either way the AIF has been using our energy for their purpose and existence.
Time to use our own energy for our own purposes.
I do agree with kellsbells in that I DONT agree to any blame or further abuse for being in this situation.
Being gullible is not an option. Passing responsibility is also NOT an option.
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Post by ML on Jul 16, 2018 0:05:38 GMT
As far as Avalon, JVP and others insisting that WE AGREED and others who are fairly adamant that they DID NOT agree. I am not sure why this is a point to contend? Does it make one feel better to know they agreed? or Does it make one feel better to know they didn't and were trapped? I am sure it was both! Some agreed and others were tricked and trapped, either way the AIF has been using our energy for their purpose and existence. Time to use our own energy for our own purposes. I do agree with kellsbells in that I DONT agree to any blame or further abuse for being in this situation. Being gullible is not an option. Passing responsibility is also NOT an option. To me personally....its just a matter of LOGIC... its not belief or insistence or anything. just plain logic. I did not have that conviction just because of many individuals/writers who has the same view. of course i did not 'believed' them i rationalize. and had that conclusion that indeed.. we must have agreed. I am CONVINCED very much that WE are truly infinity highly aware 'beings' so now if that is the case are other beings be capable of simply kidnapping us if they will it? ABSOLUTELY NOT. How can they? and then There's this LAW they call 'FREE WILL' and I am also convinced there is such a LAW in the universe. so by RECONCILING this.. via LOGIC we will conclude that we did agree. --- but now we don't agree anymore... and that's a good thing. Love you all
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Post by IW on Jul 16, 2018 22:05:36 GMT
Dear Miron_Lang,
Thank you for the opportunity to talk about this topic, as I feel most of us think on it, but usually push it aside as its troubling to think on for any length of time (painful).
LOGIC can be relied upon for many things. It does not always lead to the truth unfortunately. Sometimes logic IS the trick that traps us.
By its own definition would you think anyone INTENDS to fall? DOes anyone agree to fall?
I went to sleep last night thinking about this concept and for me, it brought to mind the ugly reality that many women around the world are raped. Not only raped, but then blamed for whatever clothing they wore that "spoke" rape me. Even judges have sided with the prosecution in this area.
I would think that not a single person here would ever think that clothing, or flirting is an unspoken consent for sex to occur. This is ridiculous!
As far as quote " I am CONVINCED very much that WE are truly infinity highly aware 'beings' "
This is a fact, but it doesn't fit into the truth of what happened. We have been manipulated from the beginning, and like Kellsbells passionate post. I also feel that for the most part, we did NOT agree to be here, we fell, we were deceived, and now we are trapped.
Either way we all take responsibility for where we are now, no crying over spilt milk.
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Post by ML on Jul 17, 2018 1:55:11 GMT
This is a fact, but it doesn't fit into the truth of what happened. We have been manipulated from the beginning, and like Kellsbells passionate post. I also feel that for the most part, we did NOT agree to be here, we fell, we were deceived, and now we are trapped. Either way we all take responsibility for where we are now, no crying over spilt milk. We have been manipulated as you stated.....is it not our responsibility to not let that happen in the 1st place? I think it is. we can get out of here for sure so why bother determining if we agree to be here or not.. we can get out for sure is that what really matter? I think this is also to a degree similar to a previous topic about 'WHY DID our FATHER/MOTHER/QUEEN' just rescue us from here??? many others had varying opinions on this but my take is ... it does not work that way in a free will universe. Yes. I agree. Its an exciting journey we're all gonna enjoy it.
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Post by IW on Jul 17, 2018 19:38:39 GMT
It isn't so much a determination of whether we agreed or not as most of us self determine that. It ties into other topics of fragmentation and the wounding of the spirit.
What I hear in kellsbells post is her proclamation of all the bs surrounding the abuse of beings who have compassion vs those that don't and have never "followed" the rules.
How are we suppose to prevent others from not following the rules and abusing us? This is the creation of the suspicious mind that now has no trust in anything to be true after such abuse. "We have been manipulated as you stated.....is it not our responsibility to not let that happen in the 1st place? "
This once again is similar to blaming the raped one instead of the Overlord rapists.
This is about healing and how to be healed, if we blame ourselves and say we should have known, we should have stopped it, then the anger remains. Once we realize that it was not preventable, then the healing can start.
Sorry if you don't get this, but for anyone traumatized, this is an important point!
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Post by ML on Jul 18, 2018 0:23:51 GMT
It isn't so much a determination of whether we agreed or not as most of us self determine that. It ties into other topics of fragmentation and the wounding of the spirit. What I hear in kellsbells post is her proclamation of all the bs surrounding the abuse of beings who have compassion vs those that don't and have never "followed" the rules. How are we suppose to prevent others from not following the rules and abusing us? This is the creation of the suspicious mind that now has no trust in anything to be true after such abuse. By vibrating or existing above them. My sister have abused me verbally for a lifetime. but some years ago i decided that 'I wont have any of it anymore. totally differing thing in my view. Rape means you dont agree to it and the rapist proceeded to still abuse the victim. manipulated means the victim was lead to doing things that he would have not done if she was informed better I am really sorry wome if my post caused some negative feelings. My full intention is to just discuss things so that in the end we are better informed at least from data coming from each other's experiences. Love and healing to you,
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Post by IW on Jul 18, 2018 6:36:44 GMT
Thanks for the PM Miron. You are a great guy, we do have a tight knit group here and it's so awesome!
I didn't post anything here for myself, since I have not been reading much Avalon lately. Kellsbells post brought some things to light that was important to share.
No one is right or wrong and we are all sharing and learning together. I feel the strength of us here and also some of the weakness.
One of the great things about becoming more awake and aware is the freedom. There is great freedom when truth is found and its usually all tied up with love, since love is the greatest and highest frequency. Love is a very strong force, this goes with compassion and others might fear us when we are in the moment and our being exists within this.
It's what makes us special and different. I hope you all realize this deep within.
I state healing and then the balm of joy upon anyone who lives in indecision, hurt, and fear.
The past is not our future. Walk in strength and determination/ there are great things ahead!
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