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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 10:54:19 GMT
I wanted to elaborate on this phrase in the shout-out box.
Maybe this forum is indeed becoming toxic, because people are regularly being pointed out to their being a conspiracy theorist for whatever they post on this forum? I do agree that we should let go of our victim consciousness and stop blaming others for our situation. I also agree that there are a whole lot of bogus theories that can be seen as conspiracy theory (just to name a few the burning of 5G poles and the empty hospitals), but that doesn’t mean that we should consider everything as a “conspiracy theory”. There are always levels of truth and lies to be found in material we find on the internet.
Understand and accept that people have different levels of awareness. If you don’t like what is posted, just turn away from it. Simple, not?
Sorry for this rant, but needed to vent a bit ...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 13:49:52 GMT
Conspiracy. Did humans really go to the moon? Maybe. Who shot Kennedy? (or was that Kennedy?) 911 an inside job? Could be. Conspiracy exists no doubt. Then do 10 possible explanations for each conspiracy burying the possible truth in a barrel full of confusion. For me it is not worth a lot of time investigating such events because even if I thought I knew the truth? Others would discredit me. Why bother with past events so out of our control? It is as much of a trap as is watching too much junk television.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 15:12:05 GMT
I actually feel that there is a lot of random posting of theories that are not quite relevant or interesting and basically the same thing repeated within a day of posting. I think this is an fairly open forum but at the same time there are topics better suited for discussion here than others. I feel also that I do not at least personally want to see more about really strange far out 5g theories at least in the context it is in and do feel there is toxicity of a sort (perhaps the coronavirus situation really is creating panic). When you look back at the older posts it is a kinda different sort of discussion and vibe although there is still good stuff. I use the term 'conspiracy theory' for something that is jus completely off but in a sense a lot of things could be seen as conspiracy. I don't think a lot of so called conspiracies are true at all, (alex jones like shouting in his megaphone is a no no) even if many hold some partial truth that isn't enough for anything. What you want is to find the best and most useful things and avoid the traps. Even if misinformation is around at the same time. I don't go around using that term conspiracy theorist much apart from joking about people obsessed with the illuminati or whatever. The problem is that word means different things for different people, though is generally associated with crazy theories. May I remind that the search tool is good for checking if certain topics are covered already. Not to say there is a rule against a new threads on the same topic (sometimes its good to start new) but it can be good to read what is already there
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 16:47:28 GMT
Hi Griffy, thanks for your post. I agree that there is indeed a wildlife of posts about 5G and the corona virus posted in several places and that some are a repetition of the already posted ones. And yes, maybe members should be paying more attention to things already being posted.
Look, what is also “conspiracy theory” to me is for example that Satan is the one that creates havoc here on Earth. Satan as the devil never existed, only in religious theories. Just like indeed the “Illuminati”, which is a term wildly used by lots of people. It’s all used to create fear. But then I could go on and say that the grid that supposedly helps us escape this earth after death is also a conspiracy theory. Now I hope this thread is not going to end up in a discussion about the grid, lol.
But, just because you and I perceive things differently doesn’t mean that anyone should think that way. That’s why I mentioned that everybody has different levels of awareness and understanding. That’s what consciousness is all about. Everyone is on different paths and I think we should respect they have different views on subjects. We are all here to learn.
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Post by Stranger2 on Apr 20, 2020 14:17:20 GMT
Sorry, I was being sarcastic when I said "conspiracy theorists" Of course, it's a matter of personal choice. One can spend most of his/her time digging all sorts of conspiracy theories about global elite, government secret projects, alien controls etc, no problem with that. And it is quite likely that there is some truth in them. But to me it does not seem to be very productive. I better spent my time and energy on working on more fundamental problems. The point is: we let our consciousness to get involved in this Matrix and as a consequence we became manipulatable and vulnerable. In this situation it is fairly easy to take advantage of our manipulability and vulnerability. Therefore, there always have been and always will be some individuals or groups of forces who will take advantage of us by manipulating our consciousness. Over time, as the society and technology evolve with more sophisticated means for mind manipulation, such as mass media, internet, cell phones etc, such mind control and manipulation becomes even easier. The answer to this problem is not to waste our time and energy to find out exactly who and how are trying to manipulate and take advantage of us, but rather to turn our focus from external events and circumstances to the internal, to our own consciousness, and to find out how our consciousness works, what exactly makes it manipulatable, how to become non-manipulatable, who to free our consciousness from all those strings that attach us to the system and from all mechanisms that makes us manipulatable and vulnerable. But the problem is that the latter (working on consciousness) is much harder to do than the former (reacting to external events and researching conspiracy theories). One of the reasons is that it is much harder for the egoic mind to admit its own faults and much easier to find someone else to blame. The other reason is that the former, being fueled by feelings of fears and frustration, can be actually quite addictive. But at the end, it becomes toxic for the well-being of our consciousness, because it only fuels back the fears and frustration even more, so it becomes a vicious cycle with no end, solution or exit. As a result, we become only more enslaved to the manipulation mechanisms (fears) that keep us attached to the system, and that only makes us more manipulatable.
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Post by angel on Apr 21, 2020 0:36:03 GMT
Well, apart from essential businesses, not really a lot to do at this time, so I don't mind doing this, but most importantly is, following your intuition.
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Post by Carter on May 28, 2021 1:46:46 GMT
Conspiracy. Did humans really go to the moon? Maybe. Who shot Kennedy? (or was that Kennedy?) 911 an inside job? Could be. Conspiracy exists no doubt. Then do 10 possible explanations for each conspiracy burying the possible truth in a barrel full of confusion. For me it is not worth a lot of time investigating such events because even if I thought I knew the truth? Others would discredit me. Why bother with past events so out of our control? It is as much of a trap as is watching too much junk television. No Conspiracy! Humans did NOT go to the moon! They were already there in 1961 There were US bases, Russian Bases, English bases, French Bases, Chinese Bases and the near side of the moon and alien bases on the dark side. Population was more than one half a million. Who shot Kennedy? Well that was a conspiracy orchestrated by the CIA, Johnson and other groups. I remember the saying that those who forget or ignore the mistakes of history are bound to repeat them. As for the possibility of others discrediting you or worrying about events supposedly "out of your control" I would recommend courage, determination and mature thinking.
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Post by Carter on May 28, 2021 17:05:59 GMT
Conspiracy. Did humans really go to the moon? Maybe. Who shot Kennedy? (or was that Kennedy?) 911 an inside job? Could be. Conspiracy exists no doubt. Then do 10 possible explanations for each conspiracy burying the possible truth in a barrel full of confusion. For me it is not worth a lot of time investigating such events because even if I thought I knew the truth? Others would discredit me. Why bother with past events so out of our control? It is as much of a trap as is watching too much junk television. Yes, but way before Apollo. The first man on the moon was Werner Theisenberg of the German Kriegsmarine who arrived on the moon in 1942 The necessary technology was put together at Lake Vostok 2 miles below Antarctica. As to who shot Kennedy, it was 8 shooters from the CIA. There is plenty of evidence to be found to that effect. Why bother with past events? well, the answer should be obvious. To avoid their repetition. By the way, we try and solve crimes to avoid their repetition as well.
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Post by Carter on May 28, 2021 17:28:21 GMT
Conspiracy. Did humans really go to the moon? Maybe. Who shot Kennedy? (or was that Kennedy?) 911 an inside job? Could be. Conspiracy exists no doubt. Then do 10 possible explanations for each conspiracy burying the possible truth in a barrel full of confusion. For me it is not worth a lot of time investigating such events because even if I thought I knew the truth? Others would discredit me. Why bother with past events so out of our control? It is as much of a trap as is watching too much junk television. I think that some people could make good use of a dictionary. FACTS are certainly NOT THEORIES and THEORIES are NOT FACTS. Legitimate credible facts can be put together to create a theory but a theory can also be disproven. A conspiracy simply means 2 or more people getting together to create a plot to achieve some purpose. I would tend to also say that anyone who has a fear of being discredited should back up so-to-speak and learn how to find the truth.
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Post by griffo on Jul 1, 2023 14:52:15 GMT
It seems like there is a lack of discussions now on the inner world, more on outside events, which wasn't there before. It reminds me of those other forums, which are very much associated with conspiracy. Seems like the pandemic might be part of the reason why. These days a lot of online places seem to be either super censored ideological echo chambers, or full of conspiracy. Theories are fine, but baseless ones based on very little suck, or especially if they use twisted or cherry picked info. You need to be comfortable with digging to the truth not avoiding it, sometimes, facts sometimes intuition or guess work, but make it make sense. There are a lot more circular definitions these days, or people avoiding things just to make themselves comfortable. People like to change things to make stories to support there world view, and that is people of all sorts. Sometimes it is good to look at stuff you disagree with, of different political world views etc. You can change your view, because surely a view is based on what you can see. Sometimes things are not so clear but you just need to look closer or take a different angle.
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Post by IW on Oct 1, 2023 14:16:02 GMT
Totally agree Griffo.
I know others have asked where this person is or that person, like Avalon. I wonder too. Is it like popularity, an ebb and flow of importance?
There is currently a greater disconnect to one's inner self these days. A spiritual life needs to be fed for it to exist. And with so much silence, it does hint at a lack of sensibility to any higher level of being.
I am, going forward, going to be a little more strict on random postings that even hint at the fear factor mode of "news".. anyone can easily check those out elsewhere on utub.. and if you can't find/ then send a message to a member.
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