Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 6:50:00 GMT
Hello people,
Well I dont post too much on forums as I find reading others information quiet comforting knowing others are also deeply looking for personal "salvation" of Spirit or soul. I have found that others have many different concepts of just what Spirit and soul are from their perspective and some just dont believe such things are relevent or exist --- its all good --- we will all get to where we want to go. The post below is one of many I formulate and never post as really there actually no reason to do so for so many others post similar ideas as replies to threads I just write replies to clarify my thinking and leave it at that --- excentric eh? --- Any way the one below I felt was needed at this present time frame for any of you interested enough to read it. The post was edited somewhat to fit the occasion so I hope its integrity has not been damaged. Many thank to all of you on this forum.
Jensen
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I am making a few statements in this narrative that just might ruffle a few feathers with some members and guests --- I am not doing that to be aggressive overbearing or egotistical --- I make these observations and assumptions
from my own positions of comprehension and awareness garnered over a life time of reading studying and my own internal/external observations of cultures of a multitude of people/humans I have met, interacted with and studied through their myths legends writings etc. etc. I state up front that I'm not any where near perfect in my interactions with Creation, life and with logical interpretation of information found. If any of the readers feel like banging me on the head for what I say--- please don’t do so as you will also be doing that to yourself and in the end it makes absolute no difference to me. I don’t profess to be an expert on anything except myself and that started from an early age asking questions and participating in groups looking for answers to similar questions. The outcome was that a person has to be totally responsible for him/her self when it comes to advanced awareness and transcending this messed up matrix/simulation.
So after writing the above caveat I would like to address the assumptions of the people in the now and the past who have published or altered all the knowledge base that we are formulating for our own personal plans to awaken and hopefully attain a better more peaceful future for ourselves after death of our present bodies. If you care to look at all the information on the net and books written in the last 100 years have you ever wondered or questioned just where the information contained in those writings came from? --- probably not for most people. We all assume that the information gained, rings true to the heart centre or what ever the current chic saying is at the moment and it must be the truth revealed by god or some ascended master etc. You might say it came from the bible or from the dead seas scrolls or hieroglyphs carved in stone or the archaeologists discovered the meaning' or heaven help us all if it came from a new age guru with a thousand disciples at his feet. Well --- no--- all these “teachers” would have assumed also --- or you might say these teachers were taught by beings from the stars --- well is that the ultimate proof of truth? No. So every thing we talk about to others and ourselves can only be assumptions which are partly or fully attached beliefs.
They make us feel good in the present moment until that belief is shattered by another assumption. ---- (Yes I getting to the punch line.) ---- I have taken the time to read many of the threads on this forum (and others) and in doing so I find we are all basicly saying the same things where by we further ingrain the assumptions into our belief systems. I'm not saying there is any thing wrong with having belief systems I am just leading to the possibility of another state of being in this matrix/simulation of 3D time and space. This would be a state of being in the total observational present in the moment with no time but still observing time and space but no time and space, no chattering egotistical mind --- just being
. Much information and methods have been presented here to help us awaken further --- various books videos teachings etc. If you care to read them all what you will see is that they say the same thing with different wording and teaching but they are mostly all the same leading the hopeful learner around in circles. Most people don’t realise this. The circles are never ending --- the circles from my perspective are a waste of time and entertainment just binding you deeper in another assumption of another person who is also assuming what ever they are teaching because it feels good to them or it garners more status and all that goes with it. The learner disciple just stays there as a learner disciple giving up all the responsibility for his “salvation” to the one who is energeticly profiting from the situation.
You have to teach yourself what is best for you. You might say how? Well the simplest way I know is to meditate on the breath and just let the thought flow past without engaging them and if that doesn’t work sit down in a quiet place where you wont be disturbed and ask yourself questions and get an answer and then ask a question about the answer. This can be brutal sometimes however you will get to know yourself. Work on your egotistical ways --- we all have them to a greater of lesser degree. Much has been written on this forum about mind/ego. I'm sure you are all doing some sort of practice with regard to your self knowing so no need for me to enlarge on it here.
I can be a rather cynical person some times and to a greater degree it has helped me tremendously. Another word would be discernment and I'm sure you are all the same. Lets start with man made religions – I’ve tried them – they all end up in circles and you go no where – new age --- well that’s a big barrel of programmed BS --- again circles --- channelling = a little bit of truth + a lot of lies giving nothing but circles and lost energy. Eastern and mid Eastern religions all have their devout followers. I'm no expert on these belief systems but have just a brief knowledge so I have no comment to make concerning them with the exception of Buddhism how ever this was gained in the 60's mixed with the New Age gov. experiments.---- (The punch line) ---- An assumption I will make is that most of the readers of this post are here on this forum to gain relief from the pain of living in this system of birth death and decay. I am. I know a lot of you are very fond of Wes and rightly so. I have a great affection and respect for him also for all the work he has done putting a “story” together to try to make sense of all the crap that is happening on this plane of existence and shareing his writings with others who were also searching. Ask yourself the question of who else has done that to the extent Wes has? Please be advised that I'm not making little of Wes by calling his monumental works a “story”. He has only pieced together a narrative on assumptions, his and also the entities who wrote or scratched in stone and clay their assumptions which they gained from another entity who possibly had assumptions also. What Wes's narrative is, is the possibility of what happened not necessary a probability. Now lets take a look at the German Matrixer Jonathan He is a proponent of exiting the grid as is Wes. Jonathan is also a proponent of the dissolution method. The interesting point with these two researchers is that they both according to them arrived at the same conclusion about holes in the grid and a method of exiting through them. Now please understand that I'm not saying there is collusion here or copy catting however I do find it interesting that Wes's concept which came from an Orion helper is almost exactly the same as the Matrixer. Could it be a possibility that a someone is interfering with the exit strategy to make sure that all the awakened individuals rush to the holes which are possibly a trap within a trap hiding actual exit holes? It was interesting to note that another forum member thought that the holes were a hidden trap also. So the question must be asked as what to do if such a possibility exists. To me the answer has always been to handle the subconscious mind the ego and not be led by it. To look at all your actions in relation to others including all life forms --- everything is alive and needs respect as much as we do. Not to be bound to anything in your life but still honour and have respect for those around you and the life you lead here. When death arrives make sure you know who you really are and what you are and move to a place or serenity and peace to recoup your lost integrity as a Spirit/soul and then move on if you choose to do so. This is my intension. If you feel that going through the grid as Wes suggests thats fine as who is to say his method is not correct no matter how the pros and cons about that method have been discussed and should you choose to go into oneness and possibly dissolution also who is to say that's not correct no matter how the pros and cons about that method have been discussed, who is to say that that these methods are not correct??? Of course you can also just continue on in this matrix. Now all the above possibly, from your point of view are assumptions of mine and not necessarly yours, however to me the little bit of my personal knowledge I have extended to you is a small portion of my path and I really do hope you all firmly set yourselves on your chosen path for a better hereafter. Deep within I feel we don’t have too much time to get our kit together ----------------------
from my own positions of comprehension and awareness garnered over a life time of reading studying and my own internal/external observations of cultures of a multitude of people/humans I have met, interacted with and studied through their myths legends writings etc. etc. I state up front that I'm not any where near perfect in my interactions with Creation, life and with logical interpretation of information found. If any of the readers feel like banging me on the head for what I say--- please don’t do so as you will also be doing that to yourself and in the end it makes absolute no difference to me. I don’t profess to be an expert on anything except myself and that started from an early age asking questions and participating in groups looking for answers to similar questions. The outcome was that a person has to be totally responsible for him/her self when it comes to advanced awareness and transcending this messed up matrix/simulation.
So after writing the above caveat I would like to address the assumptions of the people in the now and the past who have published or altered all the knowledge base that we are formulating for our own personal plans to awaken and hopefully attain a better more peaceful future for ourselves after death of our present bodies. If you care to look at all the information on the net and books written in the last 100 years have you ever wondered or questioned just where the information contained in those writings came from? --- probably not for most people. We all assume that the information gained, rings true to the heart centre or what ever the current chic saying is at the moment and it must be the truth revealed by god or some ascended master etc. You might say it came from the bible or from the dead seas scrolls or hieroglyphs carved in stone or the archaeologists discovered the meaning' or heaven help us all if it came from a new age guru with a thousand disciples at his feet. Well --- no--- all these “teachers” would have assumed also --- or you might say these teachers were taught by beings from the stars --- well is that the ultimate proof of truth? No. So every thing we talk about to others and ourselves can only be assumptions which are partly or fully attached beliefs.
They make us feel good in the present moment until that belief is shattered by another assumption. ---- (Yes I getting to the punch line.) ---- I have taken the time to read many of the threads on this forum (and others) and in doing so I find we are all basicly saying the same things where by we further ingrain the assumptions into our belief systems. I'm not saying there is any thing wrong with having belief systems I am just leading to the possibility of another state of being in this matrix/simulation of 3D time and space. This would be a state of being in the total observational present in the moment with no time but still observing time and space but no time and space, no chattering egotistical mind --- just being
. Much information and methods have been presented here to help us awaken further --- various books videos teachings etc. If you care to read them all what you will see is that they say the same thing with different wording and teaching but they are mostly all the same leading the hopeful learner around in circles. Most people don’t realise this. The circles are never ending --- the circles from my perspective are a waste of time and entertainment just binding you deeper in another assumption of another person who is also assuming what ever they are teaching because it feels good to them or it garners more status and all that goes with it. The learner disciple just stays there as a learner disciple giving up all the responsibility for his “salvation” to the one who is energeticly profiting from the situation.
You have to teach yourself what is best for you. You might say how? Well the simplest way I know is to meditate on the breath and just let the thought flow past without engaging them and if that doesn’t work sit down in a quiet place where you wont be disturbed and ask yourself questions and get an answer and then ask a question about the answer. This can be brutal sometimes however you will get to know yourself. Work on your egotistical ways --- we all have them to a greater of lesser degree. Much has been written on this forum about mind/ego. I'm sure you are all doing some sort of practice with regard to your self knowing so no need for me to enlarge on it here.
I can be a rather cynical person some times and to a greater degree it has helped me tremendously. Another word would be discernment and I'm sure you are all the same. Lets start with man made religions – I’ve tried them – they all end up in circles and you go no where – new age --- well that’s a big barrel of programmed BS --- again circles --- channelling = a little bit of truth + a lot of lies giving nothing but circles and lost energy. Eastern and mid Eastern religions all have their devout followers. I'm no expert on these belief systems but have just a brief knowledge so I have no comment to make concerning them with the exception of Buddhism how ever this was gained in the 60's mixed with the New Age gov. experiments.---- (The punch line) ---- An assumption I will make is that most of the readers of this post are here on this forum to gain relief from the pain of living in this system of birth death and decay. I am. I know a lot of you are very fond of Wes and rightly so. I have a great affection and respect for him also for all the work he has done putting a “story” together to try to make sense of all the crap that is happening on this plane of existence and shareing his writings with others who were also searching. Ask yourself the question of who else has done that to the extent Wes has? Please be advised that I'm not making little of Wes by calling his monumental works a “story”. He has only pieced together a narrative on assumptions, his and also the entities who wrote or scratched in stone and clay their assumptions which they gained from another entity who possibly had assumptions also. What Wes's narrative is, is the possibility of what happened not necessary a probability. Now lets take a look at the German Matrixer Jonathan He is a proponent of exiting the grid as is Wes. Jonathan is also a proponent of the dissolution method. The interesting point with these two researchers is that they both according to them arrived at the same conclusion about holes in the grid and a method of exiting through them. Now please understand that I'm not saying there is collusion here or copy catting however I do find it interesting that Wes's concept which came from an Orion helper is almost exactly the same as the Matrixer. Could it be a possibility that a someone is interfering with the exit strategy to make sure that all the awakened individuals rush to the holes which are possibly a trap within a trap hiding actual exit holes? It was interesting to note that another forum member thought that the holes were a hidden trap also. So the question must be asked as what to do if such a possibility exists. To me the answer has always been to handle the subconscious mind the ego and not be led by it. To look at all your actions in relation to others including all life forms --- everything is alive and needs respect as much as we do. Not to be bound to anything in your life but still honour and have respect for those around you and the life you lead here. When death arrives make sure you know who you really are and what you are and move to a place or serenity and peace to recoup your lost integrity as a Spirit/soul and then move on if you choose to do so. This is my intension. If you feel that going through the grid as Wes suggests thats fine as who is to say his method is not correct no matter how the pros and cons about that method have been discussed and should you choose to go into oneness and possibly dissolution also who is to say that's not correct no matter how the pros and cons about that method have been discussed, who is to say that that these methods are not correct??? Of course you can also just continue on in this matrix. Now all the above possibly, from your point of view are assumptions of mine and not necessarly yours, however to me the little bit of my personal knowledge I have extended to you is a small portion of my path and I really do hope you all firmly set yourselves on your chosen path for a better hereafter. Deep within I feel we don’t have too much time to get our kit together ----------------------