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Post by ray on Feb 18, 2019 1:41:48 GMT
Two books or two websites can contain contradictory information about the same event such as Roswell, 9/11, Atlantis, or even the causes of major world conflicts etc.
HOW do you determine WHICH information is likely to be the MOST accurate?
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Post by ML on Feb 18, 2019 2:16:40 GMT
Two books or two websites can contain contradictory information about the same event such as Roswell, 9/11, Atlantis, or even the causes of major world conflicts etc.
HOW do you determine WHICH information is likely to be the MOST accurate? Almost everything is like this in this world. People will believe things that suits them. in my case most research will end in a road block... meaning there's no where to go. like a lineage.... if you have no documents to trace a lineage then its impossible to track down your line. at some point INFORMATION will be UNAVAILABLE. and that is by design... the power that rules this world make sure of this so that the prisoners will have a very hard time figuring it out. to answer the question... i just go with what they call 'Gut feeling' if logical determination is unavailable.
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Post by Hans Schokkenbroek on Feb 18, 2019 8:13:31 GMT
We all have different paths and it is on forums like this one that I realised, much to my astonishment, that very aware people can be at very different stages in their gnosis. In my case evaluation is determined initially by 'feeling' what is right or wrong. If in doubt then I can ask Higher Self with my finger system or I can make a shamanic journey and ask for answers there, either through White Buffalo, my Totem Animal, or any being that I run into or even Higher Self. And last but certainly not least I can ask the Father and Mother for guidance...... I sincerely believe that all of the above options, and more, are available to everyone. 5 years ago I used none of the above except what I used to call my 'gut' feeling, but in most cases my logic (the programmed biocomputer) would win the battle of the doubt when fighting my feelings..... Let me try to explain. Feeling. In my humble opinion the core answer to your question Ray lies with remembering how to feel... The story of how I initially woke up has probably been told more than once on this forum. Through that event I suddenly realised there is more to this world; I experienced (the magic word) something that my logic could not explain (at that time). It was much later that I understood why and how that experience came about. In short I felt a sudden energy stream surging from my toes through my body, hitting my Heart, and exiting through my crown, making me burst out in tears and leaving me with one (big) trauma less.... It left me totally bewildered but, as a Petroleum engineer and very pragmatic thinker, I wanted to know where this was coming from. So that started my self epignosis journey. My quest to know myself which helped me to become more aware.. This experience happened at the Avatar course and that course was instrumental in what happened to me. I will rarely advise others to attend the Avatar course for various reasons but for me it was the best thing that could happen (HS always knows best). They have an introduction course which is 2 days and it is aimed at helping you to remember how to feel.. They do not give you the logic; it is totally experiential. They understand that spiritual progress is personal and it must be based on personal experiences only. Truelight always made a big point about this. She would only take something on board as her Truth based on own experience and I try to do the same. So the course was primarily about trying to feel objects, plants, beings and people. I literally was asked to focus and "feel the ceiling", "feel that plant", etc.. eventually it led me to having the experience as described above and that EVERYTHING in this realm is energy (except for the Divine Sparks who also carry Essence). Everything vibrates and therefor has a frequency. That frequency can be 'felt' by any human being.. The control system knows this but does not want us to remember this incredible sense. If all humans would use this innate capability we would never have doubts, everyone would take responsibility for their own actions, in short..the system would fall apart... And the organ that allows you to feel is not your gut; it is your Heart.... Anyway, every chair, every item on this planet has a specific frequency and every human CAN sense that with their Heart. This is why certain healers can feel a liver is not healthy or they feel that you have a sore neck.. It is all based on the same principle. I am not as sensitive as some of those healers and not (yet) capable of feeling specific organs in human beings. But I do sense if someone has pure of evil intentions. And I sense if someone is sick or healthy. I even scan wine bottles before the cork is off the bottle and can sense if it is good or bad. I do not read menu's, I scan them with my Heart and my Heart will start glowing (best description I can give) at the item that I should eat that day. It is truly wonderful once you remember how to feel..... It is just a matter of training that skill, of remembering how to do it. And of course you will not learn this in school........After the intro course I went to a 10 day Avatar course in Florida and they teach primarily how to feel. They also teach you what happens if we 'label' things or people. I remember this labelling exercise well and by coincidence ( ) I told my neighbour about this yesterday. We were asked to feel signs in the street. So you simply focus on the sign and then breath into it. This gives you a certain feeling, a sensation, and that is the energy signature of that sign. Then they asked you to label the sign. For instance I would say to the sign that is was incredibly evil or heavy like a mountain or whatever came up in my mind. The amazing thing is that the signature of that sign would change! In case of evil I would literally become nauseated when feeling it again. Now that experience taught me the power of words. We truly DO something to others around us if we speak evil of them. This is why we have to be conscious of how and what we say..... From that day onwards I never have spoken bad of anyone else.... Anyway, the bottom line Ray is that I use this skill whenever I have to determine if something is true or not.. I simply feel it......
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Post by ray on Feb 20, 2019 18:59:04 GMT
Another approach is the academic/scientific/logical view based on the content and presentation of the information.
1. Dewhurst who wrote on ancient giants in North America. Using newspaper articles and documentation from museums and skeletons made his findings impossible to refute.
2. Jim Marrs wrote on everything from Aliens to the Politics of Terror and deceiving the masses. He wrote from the background and expertise of being a thorough investigative reporter who left nothing out. His evidence could be cross-referenced and was also irrefutable.
3. Wes Penre provides a lot of info. in his papers but from WHERE? Bibliographies? Quotes? Sources?
4. Chris Hardy PhD. does extremely advanced work as a cognitive scientist and analyst of human history. Her work includes bibliographies, lab research at Princton, 17 books and 60 papers. She has also developed her own Semantic Field Theory for looking at old text and stones.
5. Michael Newton PhD.has used regressive hypnosis and 7,000 case studies to study death. His methodology is considered scientific. The personal decision to make is whether his interpretations and conclusions are accurate or perhaps a stretch of his evidence.
The idea is to start with an open mind and neutral attitude and see what information seems to be "filling the blanks" in the particular field of research or learning or what info. seems to be in contradiction from other sources.
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Post by ML on Feb 21, 2019 0:30:35 GMT
up to a certain point that is applicable.
example :
When did humans started the publication of Newspapers?
How about the time when/where there are no newspapers?
Thanks for this post Ray ))))
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Post by ray on Feb 21, 2019 2:32:03 GMT
Height of ancient man and ETs.
Mound Builders 7 to 10 feet tall Sirian ETs 6 and one half feet tall Zoltec (central America) over 7 feet tall Orion grays 7 to 8 feet tall Tiahuanaco (Bolivia) 9 to 10 feet tall Alpha Centurans 6 to 8 feet tall Mexico 15 foot tall skeleton Arcturians 3 to 4 feet tall Victoria Island BC 12 foot skeleton Lyrans 7 to 8 feet tall Lemurians 7 to 8 feet tall Pleideans 8 feet tall Procyons 6 to 6 and one half feet tall.
Recent discoveries in Antarctica 25 feet plus tall.
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Post by ML on Feb 21, 2019 2:37:25 GMT
I have strong 'feeling' that we are giants in statue before the flood some 13K+ yrs ago..
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Post by girlscout on Feb 22, 2019 13:10:27 GMT
I think the invisible realm is what causes the verification quandary the most, Ray.
Newton’s hypnosis may have great tales of in-between resting places, before coming back for the next round. Many have the concept that wherever we can “reach” from here is still part of this dualistic construct. The hint is that there is something BEYOND that is NOT dualistic, only positive.
Sorting all THAT out seems to be the challenge.
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Post by ray on Feb 22, 2019 15:47:26 GMT
The trouble with the re-incarnation hypothesis of Newton and others is that it is dependent on a universal standard of morality (in order for the soul to progress) and that does not exist. How is an ET Draco going to learn not to eat humans? How do ETs that treat humans as farm animals supposed to change their view. How do barbaric predators fit into the theory? One scientist was asked "What would you recommend to someone who sees an ET?" His answer was "RUN!" (fast in the opposite direction!)
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Post by girlscout on Feb 23, 2019 7:36:38 GMT
The trouble with the re-incarnation hypothesis of Newton and others is that it is dependent on a universal standard of morality (in order for the soul to progress) and that does not exist. How is an ET Draco going to learn not to eat humans? How do ETs that treat humans as farm animals supposed to change their view. How do barbaric predators fit into the theory? One scientist was asked "What would you recommend to someone who sees an ET?" His answer was "RUN!" (fast in the opposite direction!) Then we get into the Law of One Material. This duality requires two opposing focuses: Service to Self and Service to Others. Theoretically the STS folks provide contrast for the STO folks to learn and choose/develope character against. There are rumors that some individual Draco have learned to control their urges. Some ETs do not support human farming. IMO barbaric predators are there so we learn how to identify them and run sooner!
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Post by ray on Feb 23, 2019 20:26:32 GMT
Interesting though that 83 different species of ETs have visited Earth on a regular basis and only 5 have been considered friendly/non hostile toward humans. Also more than 1 million children and adults have been kidnapped from U.S. park areas by ETs. in the last decade or so. There is a rumor that US authorities agreed to ignore these incidents in exchange for advanced technology which US received.
Missing 411 is an interesting book that tries to present the issue.
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Post by ray on Feb 24, 2019 1:34:46 GMT
Hi Myka, to answer your question..missing by way of aliens since some of the abductions were in front of witnesses and some where the evidence left behind indicated aliens. Still others where clothing was found halfway up a mountain with no tracks or disturbance of the ground etc.
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Post by IW on Feb 24, 2019 13:24:04 GMT
Two books or two websites can contain contradictory information about the same event such as Roswell, 9/11, Atlantis, or even the causes of major world conflicts etc.
HOW do you determine WHICH information is likely to be the MOST accurate?
This might be beyond your question, since you are asking between books and websites..
I would like for us to think about the BEST way to gain authentic and accurate information, which is pretty much forgotten it seems.
This was probably back when authorities were trying to "make" history by putting it into stone.
Yes I get that you find this stone tablet stuff very reliable, but not everyone agrees to what "it" says. This is interpretation and intent, which a stone is not going to tell you how that went down. ----------------
If you know a person, then you can gather whether or not what they are saying is true. Small tribes and groups always had their truths passed on verbally. I believe myths and legends came out of these truths keeping them alive.
Verbal information is always going to be KING (with personal own experience). This is face to face transaction, one person knowing and sharing with another.
With the invention of "stone" or paper or anything indirect, this "true" method became less and less relied upon, as people became more and more distant or strange from one another. This was all on purpose, since to not know your tribe, or your neighbor, means you don't know who to trust.
This leaves one thing left, which is to know and trust yourself. Everything else can be fabricated.
This is similar to a person searching in a city for an honest auto mechanic. No clue who to trust to tell you what's wrong with your vehicle. Do you trust their ads? Maybe look on Better Business Bureau? How about who is the busiest?
Most will go with word of mouth, whether its someone related to them or someone they work with and trust. It is the king method, right along with your own personal experience.
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Post by ray on Feb 24, 2019 16:46:41 GMT
Verbal information is NOT the most reliable, even if you know the person. I spent some time in education administration which much to my surprise, involved being on the receiving end of some cutthroat blatant lies from people who seemed to be ethical, devoted educators. Bottom line seemed to be lie to get ahead and be convincing. Knowing the person providing the information only means that you have some idea of the biases and mindsets involved. Beyond those strongly committed to various religions is the educational background. I am sure for example that most of us have encountered people who don't believe that extra-terrestrial humans exist anywhere in the universe except on earth. There is quite a RANGE in perspective between the ultra-conservative and progressive thinker. Those who do a lot of reading have a broader perspective than those who just read the sports pages of the newspaper.
Verbal information is certainly NOT any less "filtered" than writings in books or on stones.
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Post by IW on Feb 24, 2019 19:35:38 GMT
Verbal information is NOT the most reliable, even if you know the person. I spent some time in education administration which much to my surprise, involved being on the receiving end of some cutthroat blatant lies from people who seemed to be ethical, devoted educators. Bottom line seemed to be lie to get ahead and be convincing. Knowing the person providing the information only means that you have some idea of the biases and mindsets involved. Beyond those strongly committed to various religions is the educational background. I am sure for example that most of us have encountered people who don't believe that extra-terrestrial humans exist anywhere in the universe except on earth. There is quite a RANGE in perspective between the ultra-conservative and progressive thinker. Those who do a lot of reading have a broader perspective than those who just read the sports pages of the newspaper. Verbal information is certainly NOT any less "filtered" than writings in books or on stones.
Ray, you proved my point as to evaluating the accuracy of information. Face to face communication is the best way to know the validity of what is being told.
Now there's no saying for the fool as to evaluating- Fool me once shame on you, but fool me twice shame on me.
We aren't talking of filtering since nothing here lacks filtering, and perspective can be 180 depending on whom or what. As my post says, living in a tribe and knowing the people, building a relationship and building trust, to know who is saying what, is KING for accuracy (I'm sharing my truth with you). Once again you bring yourself back to the situation of what YOUR personal preference is for information.
Anyone looking for truth goes through the same process of determination, through their own filters, developing their own beliefs, by whatever means they find helpful. This is a personal process.
Your statements of (Verbal information is NOT the most reliable) is only your beliefs put into factual statements. Unfortunately there are many many truth seekers who do this. Your own experience and preferences are what determine your truths, this may or may not apply to anyone else.
This brings to mind something that is said here often, that those that offer information for free, without a money agenda, are usually more trusted, than those that are "selling" secrets to those who will pay. Once again, this statement is not a fact, which can be right or wrong, it's a statement of belief.
You've often said here, PROVE to me this or that, ONLY YOU can prove something to yourself, to an acceptable format that is believable. And like White Buffalo has said, the best position is a flexible position, where something is held to be truth until it's revealed otherwise, and then to move onward to a closer truth. This is a PERSONAL process.
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