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Post by girlscout on Nov 28, 2018 22:54:13 GMT
Aloha good people!
JVP speaks of the tilling under of seeds that don’t produce fruits.
What does this mean to you?
How can we be certain we’ve produced enough? Or any, for that matter!
My mentor suggested that it means “becoming decent” - as in honoring your word, being responsible to those you’ve committed to, not causing harm, etc.
id taken it as something needs to be done for the general population. Like book writing, etc.
A recent insight about shamanistic “in the moment” and historic “everything is fixed” contrast causes me to reconsider.
Any thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 0:19:24 GMT
Tilling under = reincarnation to me. Come back again get it right and all. I dunno. I think if someone is very successful here on this planet there is a good chance they are self-seeking individuals who care mostly for themselves. I'm sure there are wonderful wealthy individuals that have the money and time to do good things here and do.
I think for us average Joe and Jane's it means a fair amount of time doing for others, being a peacemaker and raising the mood around us up to something better than it is. I am not much of a socializer but at home at work and at the market I try be a upbeat person.
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Post by girlscout on Nov 29, 2018 3:49:17 GMT
Nice, Myka! I agree with your interpretation about tilling under.
I’d gotten stressed that I haven’t “done enough” for humanity - thinking that’s what fruits are.
How does one measure “enough”?
I am more aware now of times I wasn’t so fruitful. =(. Is the point to be better as a result of awareness and “do better” from here on out, you think? In a “within my average Jane” realm, that is. ; )
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Post by ML on Nov 29, 2018 4:47:17 GMT
Aloha good people! JVP speaks of the tilling under of seeds that don’t produce fruits. What does this mean to you? I interpret it as; The children of Satan(Marduk) as compared to the children of the woman ( that's us divine spirit) does not produce fruits. Producing fruits to me is getting near the TRUTH or in other words REMEMBERING who we are. The children of satan has nothing to remember because they are void of spirit... but.. as i learn (Angeliki's book).. they still have the change to correct themselves... they are re-cycled over and over and have to chance to bare fruit or remember because they have nothing to remember.
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Post by Hans Schokkenbroek on Nov 29, 2018 7:01:26 GMT
Nice, Myka! I agree with your interpretation about tilling under. I’d gotten stressed that I haven’t “done enough” for humanity - thinking that’s what fruits are. How does one measure “enough”? I am more aware now of times I wasn’t so fruitful. =(. Is the point to be better as a result of awareness and “do better” from here on out, you think? In a “within my average Jane” realm, that is. ; ) The answer to your question, as always, can only be found inside of you GS. Wrt getting stressed, what comes to mind is the 4 agreements. You can only do your best, nothing more and no less. And your best will vary from day to day. This morning under the shower I suddenly realised that I had not yet journeyed for someone who saw a white shadow whilst she was cutting my hair and she wondered what it meant. I have a list of 4 people that I promised to journey for and I had forgotten about her. So my Higher Self gave me the insight this morning, a gentle reminder. Forgetting to journey (in my case) does not mean that I am not producing enough fruit. It is called being human. Our best is going to vary from day to day. The important thing in my view is that you try to do your best.... So I would not be too hung up wondering if you are doing enough. The fact that you are wondering about this means to me that you are Divine Spark.......
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Post by girlscout on Nov 29, 2018 13:56:25 GMT
Nice, Myka! I agree with your interpretation about tilling under. I’d gotten stressed that I haven’t “done enough” for humanity - thinking that’s what fruits are. How does one measure “enough”? I am more aware now of times I wasn’t so fruitful. =(. Is the point to be better as a result of awareness and “do better” from here on out, you think? In a “within my average Jane” realm, that is. ; ) The answer to your question, as always, can only be found inside of you GS. Wrt getting stressed, what comes to mind is the 4 agreements. You can only do your best, nothing more and no less. And your best will vary from day to day. This morning under the shower I suddenly realised that I had not yet journeyed for someone who saw a white shadow whilst she was cutting my hair and she wondered what it meant. I have a list of 4 people that I promised to journey for and I had forgotten about her. So my Higher Self gave me the insight this morning, a gentle reminder. Forgetting to journey (in my case) does not mean that I am not producing enough fruit. It is called being human. Our best is going to vary from day to day. The important thing in my view is that you try to do your best.... So I would not be too hung up wondering if you are doing enough. The fact that you are wondering about this means to me that you are Divine Spark....... Thanks SO much for your encouraging words WB! I suppose I worry about the eons I wasn’t awake or being my “true self” as opposed to this very short time that I now am - my fairness meter seems to think the length of time should be equal. But if time is “just a trick” then maybe I should just let that fear go....
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Post by ML on Nov 29, 2018 14:50:59 GMT
producing fruits is actually a misnomer if nothing is new under the sun then the word 'produce' is impossible there should be no such word we remember and that is the fruit. truth is un-forgetting if there is a word lol
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Post by girlscout on Dec 1, 2018 12:36:09 GMT
producing fruits is actually a misnomer if nothing is new under the sun then the word 'produce' is impossible there should be no such word we remember and that is the fruit. truth is un-forgetting if there is a word lol I re-read book one, and it seems there is more to do than “remember”. We have a character to build that exhibits and demonstrates the fruits:Love Joy Peace Patience Kindness Faith Gentleness Meekness Temperence. I used to think I needed to do some grandiose rescue plan for strangers as “works” to earn redemption/salvation. Now I see it’s just a matter of being the best I can according to the traits listed above. The people this benefits are those within my little circle of life. =) Whew!
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Post by IW on Dec 2, 2018 13:09:19 GMT
Fruits, what a great title! It makes me hungry and reminds me that fruits are for enjoyment, very tasty and good for you type stuff. Not anything that's going to be so difficult to handle/deal with. It's usually hand held(easily managed) and handled gently. Shouldn't be so difficult to reach, just pick off the tree or berries off the bush. And the more you grow in maturity, the more fruits there will "automatically" be, it just happens! Sometimes girlscout thinking becomes its own obstacle. As far as I can tell, you are usually so hard on yourself. True time does seem limited, but it's best to not be stressing as this is a biological response, like the fight or flight. Give yourself a little break pls? Hugsxx
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 15:05:39 GMT
producing fruits is actually a misnomer if nothing is new under the sun then the word 'produce' is impossible there should be no such word we remember and that is the fruit. truth is un-forgetting if there is a word lol I agree. This used to be (or in fact it still is, but we forgot) our natural state and we are remembering. It just takes to un-forget! We shouldn't in fact make it hard on ourselves, asking ourselves if we have produced enough fruit, because in that case it will become a burden. Back home this all happened very naturally, without us thinking about it. We just need to come back into that state. Thanks Miron!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 15:28:56 GMT
Sometimes girlscout thinking becomes its own obstacle. Hugsxx Our friend Mr. N4 has been emphasizing this point lately. As I mentioned in a post last week maybe being the best person we can be at any given moment might be as good as we can be. I am not 100% sure (or even 50% sure) of what exists beyond our own senses. It is certainly interesting and worthwhile to study but we most often study other folks thinking and conclusions. Are they right? Angeliki used a fictitious mystery man to convey her own thoughts and possible conclusions as to our spiritual existence and future. Despite her best efforts we still depend on the accuracy of the writings she studies. Many are ancient. I've had an experience or 2 in my 64 years on this planet. So based on this experience I conclude yes there are unexplainable mysteries that extend beyond our basic bodily senses. How they work? Who runs the show? Where will we go? My answer? Duh I dunno LOL. I have a very hard time with trust when someone tells me "this is how it is". Just me I guess. Be safe all.
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Post by ML on Dec 3, 2018 1:08:56 GMT
Sometimes girlscout thinking becomes its own obstacle. Hugsxx Our friend Mr. N4 has been emphasizing this point lately. As I mentioned in a post last week maybe being the best person we can be at any given moment might be as good as we can be. I am not 100% sure (or even 50% sure) of what exists beyond our own senses. It is certainly interesting and worthwhile to study but we most often study other folks thinking and conclusions. Are they right? Angeliki used a fictitious mystery man to convey her own thoughts and possible conclusions as to our spiritual existence and future. Despite her best efforts we still depend on the accuracy of the writings she studies. Many are ancient. I've had an experience or 2 in my 64 years on this planet. So based on this experience I conclude yes there are unexplainable mysteries that extend beyond our basic bodily senses. How they work? Who runs the show? Where will we go? My answer? Duh I dunno LOL. I have a very hard time with trust when someone tells me "this is how it is". Just me I guess. Be safe all. That is a very good baseline on how to look at things. that is great Myka as for me sometimes i trust too much lol. but i conclude that wee need to 'trust' others.. but not before trusting ourselves 1st.... if our conclusions clashes with people we trust even famous ones.... we go and side with ourselves * I learned something new today... Laughing gives me so much energy hahhaha i am not kidding... we had 3 day planning sessions.... got very little sleep on 1st night, got drunk and slept at 3:30am on the 2nd night got stuck in traffic on the way home...spent 10 hours on a supposed 3 hrs route .... and then washed clothes by hand (NO machine) when i got home...... i did not put much attention on how exhausted i am i just went along and decided to laugh at every opportunity... now at the office. FIVE of my colegues who are at the planning session got sick failed to report to work. 2 that are here are not feeling well... These people have rested more than i had in that 3 day period i am sure of that.. I FELT ENERGIZED this very moment.... I laugh at every opportunity... that's it.... hahhaha * sorry for hi-jacking the thread a bit.
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Post by girlscout on Dec 3, 2018 1:52:59 GMT
Fruits, what a great title! It makes me hungry and reminds me that fruits are for enjoyment, very tasty and good for you type stuff. Not anything that's going to be so difficult to handle/deal with. It's usually hand held(easily managed) and handled gently. Shouldn't be so difficult to reach, just pick off the tree or berries off the bush. And the more you grow in maturity, the more fruits there will "automatically" be, it just happens! Sometimes girlscout thinking becomes its own obstacle. As far as I can tell, you are usually so hard on yourself. True time does seem limited, but it's best to not be stressing as this is a biological response, like the fight or flight. Give yourself a little break pls? Hugsxx Thank you!! I’m simply aware, in my linear way, that I was stuck in immaturity for many lifetimes. It’s a breakthrough to finally have some maturity, so I’m still learning to trust that. I think my breathing is starting to slow now. . Lol
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Post by girlscout on Dec 3, 2018 18:38:14 GMT
Sometimes girlscout thinking becomes its own obstacle. Hugsxx Our friend Mr. N4 has been emphasizing this point lately. As I mentioned in a post last week maybe being the best person we can be at any given moment might be as good as we can be. I am not 100% sure (or even 50% sure) of what exists beyond our own senses. It is certainly interesting and worthwhile to study but we most often study other folks thinking and conclusions. Are they right? Angeliki used a fictitious mystery man to convey her own thoughts and possible conclusions as to our spiritual existence and future. Despite her best efforts we still depend on the accuracy of the writings she studies. Many are ancient. I've had an experience or 2 in my 64 years on this planet. So based on this experience I conclude yes there are unexplainable mysteries that extend beyond our basic bodily senses. How they work? Who runs the show? Where will we go? My answer? Duh I dunno LOL. I have a very hard time with trust when someone tells me "this is how it is". Just me I guess. Be safe all. This is especially why Shamanism appeals to me - once I can calm myself enough to feel safe. ; ) It is experiential - "try it yourself and see for yourself" material.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 22:11:01 GMT
Nice, Myka! I agree with your interpretation about tilling under. I’d gotten stressed that I haven’t “done enough” for humanity - thinking that’s what fruits are. How does one measure “enough”? I am more aware now of times I wasn’t so fruitful. =(. Is the point to be better as a result of awareness and “do better” from here on out, you think? In a “within my average Jane” realm, that is. ; ) Apparently more than 51% STO is enough and those who are so so do another cycle (are tilled under ?)
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Post by girlscout on Dec 4, 2018 2:59:35 GMT
Nice, Myka! I agree with your interpretation about tilling under. I’d gotten stressed that I haven’t “done enough” for humanity - thinking that’s what fruits are. How does one measure “enough”? I am more aware now of times I wasn’t so fruitful. =(. Is the point to be better as a result of awareness and “do better” from here on out, you think? In a “within my average Jane” realm, that is. ; ) Apparently more than 51% STO is enough and those who are so so do another cycle (are tilled under ?) I SO want to graduate this go ‘round.
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Post by ML on Dec 4, 2018 11:28:27 GMT
Nice, Myka! I agree with your interpretation about tilling under. I’d gotten stressed that I haven’t “done enough” for humanity - thinking that’s what fruits are. How does one measure “enough”? I am more aware now of times I wasn’t so fruitful. =(. Is the point to be better as a result of awareness and “do better” from here on out, you think? In a “within my average Jane” realm, that is. ; ) Apparently more than 51% STO is enough and those who are so so do another cycle (are tilled under ?) when i first read about the 51% STO ans some percent to STS i was really befuddled LMAO. it was like a road block to my progress... how many % do we need if we are STS ? IMHO its all BS LOL. Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 22:27:46 GMT
Apparently more than 51% STO is enough and those who are so so do another cycle (are tilled under ?) when i first read about the 51% STO ans some percent to STS i was really befuddled LMAO. it was like a road block to my progress... how many % do we need if we are STS ? IMHO its all BS LOL. Thanks The reason for my post was to highlight the similarity between what JVP / RA / HH / the Bible say in this regard, that you have to reach a certain standard (STO, fruits, trust in God, trust in Jesus, trust in M/F, whatever) otherwise you are tilled under / have to do another cycle or go to heaven / go to hell / go home. I don't discount that this (or something along these lines) may apply as long as we are in this 'game'. I feel that all of this, including 'the good and bad place/s', the BLA etc. are also within this scenario. My feel is that we need to relinquish our attachments in this 'game', the best tools being non judgement (good and bad only exist in the 'game'). The real things we do here should bring us closer to our true self. I'm hoping that all of the meals and beverages I make for my family count as STO just kidding
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Post by ML on Dec 6, 2018 1:07:57 GMT
The reason for my post was to highlight the similarity between what JVP / RA / HH / the Bible say in this regard, that you have to reach a certain standard (STO, fruits, trust in God, trust in Jesus, trust in M/F, whatever) otherwise you are tilled under / have to do another cycle or go to heaven / go to hell / go home. I don't discount that this (or something along these lines) may apply as long as we are in this 'game'. I feel that all of this, including 'the good and bad place/s', the BLA etc. are also within this scenario. My feel is that we need to relinquish our attachments in this 'game', the best tools being non judgement (good and bad only exist in the 'game'). The real things we do here should bring us closer to our true self. I'm hoping that all of the meals and beverages I make for my family count as STO just kidding agreed. seriously we need to 'control' the things that gives us pleasure in this world....as of now the pleasures are in control of most people. me personally ... i continue to battle the pleasures and its been a long war but i am (at least i think. so as not to sound arrogant) in control ...but what kinds of test have i gone thru? Id rather not get tested but we will be tested for sure... here and now and later in the astral. Sexual pleasure, Love of food and the pleasure of laziness are the 3 things that i need to pay big attention to. i feel that we must address it now rather than later.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 1:26:38 GMT
The reason for my post was to highlight the similarity between what JVP / RA / HH / the Bible say in this regard, that you have to reach a certain standard (STO, fruits, trust in God, trust in Jesus, trust in M/F, whatever) otherwise you are tilled under / have to do another cycle or go to heaven / go to hell / go home. I don't discount that this (or something along these lines) may apply as long as we are in this 'game'. I feel that all of this, including 'the good and bad place/s', the BLA etc. are also within this scenario. My feel is that we need to relinquish our attachments in this 'game', the best tools being non judgement (good and bad only exist in the 'game'). The real things we do here should bring us closer to our true self. I'm hoping that all of the meals and beverages I make for my family count as STO just kidding agreed. seriously we need to 'control' the things that gives us pleasure in this world....as of now the pleasures are in control of most people. me personally ... i continue to battle the pleasures and its been a long war but i am (at least i think. so as not to sound arrogant) in control ...but what kinds of test have i gone thru? Id rather not get tested but we will be tested for sure... here and now and later in the astral. Sexual pleasure, Love of food and the pleasure of laziness are the 3 things that i need to pay big attention to. i feel that we must address it now rather than later. Here in the USA I see the masses controlled by selfish gain, desire for toys, (big boy and girl toys) status and sports. (in no particular order.)
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Post by ML on Dec 6, 2018 1:36:06 GMT
Here in the USA I see the masses controlled by selfish gain, desire for toys, (big boy and girl toys) status and sports. (in no particular order.) the whole WORLD i think. Sports , Movies, all forms of entertainment controls men and they dont even have a fraction of 'thought' about it. here in my country people fight for supporting different team sports, i mean real fight. that is crazy if you think about it. JVP said it best in his book "The world is in a trance"
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Post by Hans Schokkenbroek on Dec 6, 2018 7:37:30 GMT
Here in the USA I see the masses controlled by selfish gain, desire for toys, (big boy and girl toys) status and sports. (in no particular order.) the whole WORLD i think. Sports , Movies, all forms of entertainment controls men and they dont even have a fraction of 'thought' about it. here in my country people fight for supporting different team sports, i mean real fight. that is crazy if you think about it. JVP said it best in his book "The world is in a trance" Sports = violence. We teach our children that sports are good for health but the essence of sports is that someone wins and most others lose. It reconfirms the idea that one has to beat someone else in order to move up the ladder of life. It consistently programs people that we should be divided. Having said all that I still play competitive golf and tennis. I have full knowledge of the nature of these sports but it still feels right to do them. I guess one of the reasons is that it allows me to interact with others so I can find Brothers and Sisters and maybe help them on their path.
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Post by girlscout on Dec 20, 2018 23:19:49 GMT
Apparently more than 51% STO is enough and those who are so so do another cycle (are tilled under ?) when i first read about the 51% STO ans some percent to STS i was really befuddled LMAO. it was like a road block to my progress... how many % do we need if we are STS ? IMHO its all BS LOL. Thanks FWIW - the STS folks are required to be 95% negative, according to Hidden Hand: "They are aware of the need for them to attain 95% negativity to get out of third density, and that is all the motivation they need to help us achieve our ultimate aims." www.wanttoknow.info/secret_societies/deep_insider_creation_story
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 22:43:08 GMT
The reason for my post was to highlight the similarity between what JVP / RA / HH / the Bible say in this regard, that you have to reach a certain standard (STO, fruits, trust in God, trust in Jesus, trust in M/F, whatever) otherwise you are tilled under / have to do another cycle or go to heaven / go to hell / go home. I don't discount that this (or something along these lines) may apply as long as we are in this 'game'. I feel that all of this, including 'the good and bad place/s', the BLA etc. are also within this scenario. My feel is that we need to relinquish our attachments in this 'game', the best tools being non judgement (good and bad only exist in the 'game'). The real things we do here should bring us closer to our true self. I'm hoping that all of the meals and beverages I make for my family count as STO just kidding agreed. seriously we need to 'control' the things that gives us pleasure in this world....as of now the pleasures are in control of most people. me personally ... i continue to battle the pleasures and its been a long war but i am (at least i think. so as not to sound arrogant) in control ...but what kinds of test have i gone thru? Id rather not get tested but we will be tested for sure... here and now and later in the astral. Sexual pleasure, Love of food and the pleasure of laziness are the 3 things that i need to pay big attention to. i feel that we must address it now rather than later. I did some serious contemplation about what it would mean to leave / to wake up / to break the spell and the things that came up for me as attachments were along the lines of what would become of my animals. Would they be taken care of properly ? I am quite particular about what they eat and my dog has allergies so has special dietary requirements. Animals turn out to be quite a strong "tie that binds me". Which is ironic, because I have never been the one who has decided to get pets and feel that if it was just me I probably wouldn't have them. Also the idea of not knowing what would become of those close to me, the idea that I might not have a window into what is going on here. If I think about it on an intellectual level I feel that it would not be a problem. I guess I have previously only thought of it in terms of having passed on and not being drawn back in by previously deceased loved ones. But when I thought about it in terms of choosing to leave and put myself in that emotional space all kinds of issues arose and I welled up. On a more mundane level there is the "life unlived" i.e. future plans (nothing much, but I felt a bit of a wrench) and having my affairs in order. In the words of Leonard Cohen : "You lose your grip and then you slip into that masterpiece.... And maybe I had miles to drive and promises to keep You ditch it all to stay alive..." from A Thousand Kisses Deep
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Post by ML on Jan 16, 2019 6:18:21 GMT
The Fruits are what you had become not physically but spiritually.
what you had become is a remembrance of who you really are.
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