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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 8:50:19 GMT
They manipulate you particularly through eye contact, you could say light hypnosis. Their gaze is very uncomfortable. A sense of charisma and uncertain feeling about them. They can drag you down through talking and even use body language in a way that helps this. They seem totally sweet, almost too nice, but its really a controlling sort of niceness.
I'm having this problem, with someone (in fact this is second time sort of), they seem alright at first, totally normal and even healthier than most individuals, but when you let them more into your life, it leads to trouble, they are controlling without knowing it. I think its important to get to know who your talking to and be wary. There are actually many people like this.
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Post by ML on Oct 31, 2018 9:15:25 GMT
They manipulate you particularly through eye contact, you could say light hypnosis. Their gaze is very uncomfortable. A sense of charisma and uncertain feeling about them. They can drag you down through talking and even use body language in a way that helps this. They seem totally sweet, almost too nice, but its really a controlling sort of niceness. I'm having this problem, with someone (in fact this is second time sort of), they seem alright at first, totally normal and even healthier than most individuals, but when you let them more into your life, it leads to trouble, they are controlling without knowing it. I think its important to get to know who your talking to and be wary. There are actually many people like this. Is there a relation about these characters you are talking about with Narcissist? Covert narcs? Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 9:46:57 GMT
They manipulate you particularly through eye contact, you could say light hypnosis. Their gaze is very uncomfortable. A sense of charisma and uncertain feeling about them. They can drag you down through talking and even use body language in a way that helps this. They seem totally sweet, almost too nice, but its really a controlling sort of niceness. I'm having this problem, with someone (in fact this is second time sort of), they seem alright at first, totally normal and even healthier than most individuals, but when you let them more into your life, it leads to trouble, they are controlling without knowing it. I think its important to get to know who your talking to and be wary. There are actually many people like this. Is there a relation about these characters you are talking about with Narcissist? Covert narcs? Thanks I think they share some vague traits but are more aware of others than most (usually but not always if they had a sheltered childhood for example) and they are less looking for admiration from others, being more self confident, instead of seeking validation, they seek control and order. They are usually very charismatic and unaware of what they are doing. They want to be nice but they act out something else within them instead... (to the point where you think they are the one being controlled, and that just might be true, or perhaps it is a deep self created pattern within them). They can be very individualistic and ambitious. That is just a generalisation though, the types of traits you find will vary a lot between people, but they are all usually charismatic and 'independent', though they seek to use others. 'Narcissists' are more the type where you can attack their 'ego' easily, although there are some narcissists who can pretend to be nice to others to lure them and are manipulative in that way.
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Post by ML on Oct 31, 2018 9:56:53 GMT
Is there a relation about these characters you are talking about with Narcissist? Covert narcs? Thanks I think they share some vague traits but are more aware of others than most (usually but not always if they had a sheltered childhood for example) and they are less looking for admiration from others, being more self confident, instead of seeking validation, they seek control and order. They are usually very charismatic and unaware of what they are doing. They want to be nice but they act out something else within them instead... (to the point where you think they are the one being controlled, and that just might be true, or perhaps it is a deep self created pattern within them). They can be very individualistic and ambitious. That is just a generalisation though, the types of traits you find will vary a lot between people, but they are all usually charismatic and 'independent', though they seek to use others. 'Narcissists' are more the type where you can attack their 'ego' easily, although there are some narcissists who can pretend to be nice to others to lure them and are manipulative in that way. Is there a name for this Covert manipulators? Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 11:28:38 GMT
I think they share some vague traits but are more aware of others than most (usually but not always if they had a sheltered childhood for example) and they are less looking for admiration from others, being more self confident, instead of seeking validation, they seek control and order. They are usually very charismatic and unaware of what they are doing. They want to be nice but they act out something else within them instead... (to the point where you think they are the one being controlled, and that just might be true, or perhaps it is a deep self created pattern within them). They can be very individualistic and ambitious. That is just a generalisation though, the types of traits you find will vary a lot between people, but they are all usually charismatic and 'independent', though they seek to use others. 'Narcissists' are more the type where you can attack their 'ego' easily, although there are some narcissists who can pretend to be nice to others to lure them and are manipulative in that way. Is there a name for this Covert manipulators? Thanks Hmm not sure, but they can sometimes become very charismatic leaders, since charisma is their defining quality. I read something about partial walk-ins or a connection to a 'botnet' or an 'spirit attachment' causing charisma on philip goddards site but i'm unsure if the phenomenon relates to this. These sorts of people may seek to follow you at first.. but their vibes are eerie and off. At least in psychological literature I haven't come across any name for them, since they operate at covert level for the most part, except they may talk to you in a draining way perhaps. They are not narcissistic, a psychopath or a sociopath.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 18:52:58 GMT
This is slightly different topic from what I was originally talking about (though not sure I agree with what I typed out anymore either lol it was speculation afterall) But I did come across some reference to covert narcissist. It is just one of those pop psychology videos but it is interesting after all so I will link it in case anyone wants to see it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=og8wA24x-dcAlso this on just general manipulation that may help anyone who is facing such ppl. www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZRXoa8xqw8
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