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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 16:40:10 GMT
In fact how I also see it, is that it is the Fruits of the Spirit that will help us escape the matrix/death. I have been more and more focusing on and observing my thoughts lately and using these fruits I can see how much it works and tbh I am slowly releasing quite some of my fears.
This is how JVP described it in his first book (chapter 18) - my interpretation in red:
The fruits of the spirit are all self-contained and self-controlled. These are not just the fruits, but the direct connections of each other.
We have long believed that the opposite of love is hate. Yes, in the good and evil game, love connects to hate as a polarity. However, the Father and Mother do not connect Love to hate, love CREATES it’s own connector as hate creates its own connector. For love to equate hate as a connector it would mean love and hate are connected as equals. This is what Lucifer wants us to believe, he desires for us to believe that good and evil work together as a team => we are to believe it has merit, because it is all part of the good and evil logic! Polar-opposites, are the negative and positive ends linked together. This is the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil, i.e. positive = negative. Therefore, we live in a world NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS WE ARE ALWAYS CONNECTED TO ITS EXTREME OPPOSITE (negative pole) which causes us to infinitely oscillate/vibrate (= death eternal)! Lucifer/God is connected to Satan/Devil. Supposedly two opposite spirits, yet connected!!!! Light and dark, good and evil and god and devil. Everything in this cosmos (100%) works based on opposites.
The Father’s world is NOT based on opposites. Each side ALWAYS brings a similar alike state, both being COMPATIBLE:
1. Love doesn’t produce hate, it produces JOY, thus the second fruit of the spirit: LOVE = JOY
2. When one is joyful => peace, peace of mind, peace in spirit, overall peace and tranquility: LOVE = JOY = PEACE
3. When one is in peace from the act of love and joy, then they become long suffering. They are patient. They are merciful and forgiving: LOVE = JOY = PEACE = PATIENCE
4. When one is forgiving, merciful, patient and long suffering => kindness. They are more open to be kind, charitable and easily entreated: LOVE = JOY = PEACE = PATIENCE = KINDNESS
5. A spirit of Kindness is revealed when one is hospitable, they serve one another, they do things to reassure and give hope. Thus, it leads to the next fruit of a spirit of Goodness: LOVE = JOY = PEACE = PATIENCE = KINDNESS = GOODNESS
6. Goodness leads to Faith which is our mutual trust in the F&M to provide all things we need or lack. It is our divine family connection that guides and leads us from within. FAITH IS THE KEY: LOVE = JOY = PEACE = PATIENCE = KINDNESS = GOODNESS = FAITH
7. When we’re fully guarded and protected both in the flesh and in spirit of mind, it then brings us into a mind of Gentleness. This mindset leads to a spirit of an overall carefree spirit like a lamb. Gentleness is a peaceful spirit, it is calming, caring, but most of all it does not have a care in the world. It is as a child being fully protected and guided, nourished and fed; bringing no reason to be afraid or doubt or worry. And all this leads into our spirit creating fulfillment, which guides one to establish the attribute of all fruits: LOVE = JOY = PEACE = PATIENCE = KINDNESS = GOODNESS = FAITH = GENTLENESS
8. When one is gentile they reveal a spirit of meekness. They are free of ego, haughtiness and jealousy (pride). They have nothing to prove and they are not resentful or filled with pride. Thus leading to Temperance: LOVE = JOY = PEACE = PATIENCE = KINDNESS = GOODNESS = FAITH = GENTLENESS = TEMPERANCE
9. When a person is temperate they are not led into temptation to do wrong. They have self-restraint. They do the will of the F&M and CAN BREAK FREE FROM DEATH AND FINALLY ENTER LIFE ETERNAL (deliverance/holy matrimony/reunion of the Divine Spark + I AM Essence): LOVE = JOY = PEACE = PATIENCE = KINDNESS = GOODNESS = FAITH = GENTLENESS = TEMPERANCE = LIFE ETERNAL
The fruits of the spirit are all self-contained, they never lead to anything of darkness, never needing to follow wrath, rage, jealousy or anyother disorder.
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Post by IW on Oct 10, 2018 9:36:42 GMT
this sticks out to me atm:
8. When one is gentle they reveal a spirit of meekness. They are free of ego, haughtiness and jealousy (pride). They have nothing to prove and they are not resentful or filled with pride. Thus leading to Temperance: LOVE = JOY = PEACE = PATIENCE = KINDNESS = GOODNESS = FAITH = GENTLENESS = TEMPERANCE
9. When a person is temperate they are not led into temptation to do wrong. They have self-restraint. They do the will of the F&M and CAN BREAK FREE FROM DEATH AND FINALLY ENTER LIFE ETERNAL (deliverance/holy matrimony/reunion of the Divine Spark + I AM Essence): LOVE = JOY = PEACE = PATIENCE = KINDNESS = GOODNESS = FAITH = GENTLENESS = TEMPERANCE = LIFE ETERNAL
This happens instantaneously from the mother/father in the NOW. Having life eternal. Being completely full and also completely empty! No needs, no cares, no worries, nothing that's a hindrance. Just FULL LIFE and FULL LIVING.
This does not seem real to many because we are in the REEL. But it is real, the transcendence of being.
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Post by twelvestrand on Nov 1, 2019 1:45:24 GMT
In fact how I also see it, is that it is the Fruits of the Spirit that will help us escape the matrix/death. I have been more and more focusing on and observing my thoughts lately and using these fruits I can see how much it works and tbh I am slowly releasing quite some of my fears. This is how JVP described it in his first book (chapter 18) - my interpretation in red: The fruits of the spirit are all self-contained and self-controlled. These are not just the fruits, but the direct connections of each other. We have long believed that the opposite of love is hate. Yes, in the good and evil game, love connects to hate as a polarity. However, the Father and Mother do not connect Love to hate, love CREATES it’s own connector as hate creates its own connector. For love to equate hate as a connector it would mean love and hate are connected as equals. This is what Lucifer wants us to believe, he desires for us to believe that good and evil work together as a team => we are to believe it has merit, because it is all part of the good and evil logic! Polar-opposites, are the negative and positive ends linked together. This is the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil, i.e. positive = negative. Therefore, we live in a world NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS WE ARE ALWAYS CONNECTED TO ITS EXTREME OPPOSITE (negative pole) which causes us to infinitely oscillate/vibrate (= death eternal)! Lucifer/God is connected to Satan/Devil. Supposedly two opposite spirits, yet connected!!!! Light and dark, good and evil and god and devil. Everything in this cosmos (100%) works based on opposites. The Father’s world is NOT based on opposites. Each side ALWAYS brings a similar alike state, both being COMPATIBLE: 1. Love doesn’t produce hate, it produces JOY, thus the second fruit of the spirit: LOVE = JOY 2. When one is joyful => peace, peace of mind, peace in spirit, overall peace and tranquility: LOVE = JOY = PEACE 3. When one is in peace from the act of love and joy, then they become long suffering. They are patient. They are merciful and forgiving: LOVE = JOY = PEACE = PATIENCE 4. When one is forgiving, merciful, patient and long suffering => kindness. They are more open to be kind, charitable and easily entreated: LOVE = JOY = PEACE = PATIENCE = KINDNESS 5. A spirit of Kindness is revealed when one is hospitable, they serve one another, they do things to reassure and give hope. Thus, it leads to the next fruit of a spirit of Goodness: LOVE = JOY = PEACE = PATIENCE = KINDNESS = GOODNESS 6. Goodness leads to Faith which is our mutual trust in the F&M to provide all things we need or lack. It is our divine family connection that guides and leads us from within. FAITH IS THE KEY: LOVE = JOY = PEACE = PATIENCE = KINDNESS = GOODNESS = FAITH 7. When we’re fully guarded and protected both in the flesh and in spirit of mind, it then brings us into a mind of Gentleness. This mindset leads to a spirit of an overall carefree spirit like a lamb. Gentleness is a peaceful spirit, it is calming, caring, but most of all it does not have a care in the world. It is as a child being fully protected and guided, nourished and fed; bringing no reason to be afraid or doubt or worry. And all this leads into our spirit creating fulfillment, which guides one to establish the attribute of all fruits: LOVE = JOY = PEACE = PATIENCE = KINDNESS = GOODNESS = FAITH = GENTLENESS 8. When one is gentile they reveal a spirit of meekness. They are free of ego, haughtiness and jealousy (pride). They have nothing to prove and they are not resentful or filled with pride. Thus leading to Temperance: LOVE = JOY = PEACE = PATIENCE = KINDNESS = GOODNESS = FAITH = GENTLENESS = TEMPERANCE 9. When a person is temperate they are not led into temptation to do wrong. They have self-restraint. They do the will of the F&M and CAN BREAK FREE FROM DEATH AND FINALLY ENTER LIFE ETERNAL (deliverance/holy matrimony/reunion of the Divine Spark + I AM Essence): LOVE = JOY = PEACE = PATIENCE = KINDNESS = GOODNESS = FAITH = GENTLENESS = TEMPERANCE = LIFE ETERNAL The fruits of the spirit are all self-contained, they never lead to anything of darkness, never needing to follow wrath, rage, jealousy or anyother disorder.
Excellent. Thank you. This information is key IMO. Reading his books currently. Interesting that he doesn't recognize the blood sacrifice as a ransom payment (mass energy transfer by sacrifice of The Christ?) to the god/archon of this world/ universe. Which is what Christians recognize and are "saved" by invoking. Angeliki also promotes. However, instead JVP calls sacrificing blood is used by the lower gods as part of their dirty work in this creation/fall. He maintains, as you have highlighted, that using the fruits by faith and Christs teachings, soul/spirit will liberate/ ascend/ exit the matrix/ find its way "home." IMO the fruits are the teachings of Christ and the tools of the spirit/soul of "true seeds" this aids in its liberation. This is all we really need to know? Everything else is a distraction....
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Post by twelvestrand on Nov 1, 2019 10:50:25 GMT
this sticks out to me atm:
8. When one is gentle they reveal a spirit of meekness. They are free of ego, haughtiness and jealousy (pride). They have nothing to prove and they are not resentful or filled with pride. Thus leading to Temperance: LOVE = JOY = PEACE = PATIENCE = KINDNESS = GOODNESS = FAITH = GENTLENESS = TEMPERANCE
9. When a person is temperate they are not led into temptation to do wrong. They have self-restraint. They do the will of the F&M and CAN BREAK FREE FROM DEATH AND FINALLY ENTER LIFE ETERNAL (deliverance/holy matrimony/reunion of the Divine Spark + I AM Essence): LOVE = JOY = PEACE = PATIENCE = KINDNESS = GOODNESS = FAITH = GENTLENESS = TEMPERANCE = LIFE ETERNAL
This happens instantaneously from the mother/father in the NOW. Having life eternal. Being completely full and also completely empty! No needs, no cares, no worries, nothing that's a hindrance. Just FULL LIFE and FULL LIVING.
This does not seem real to many because we are in the REEL. But it is real, the transcendence of being. When one is aligned and using the fruits, I whole hardheartedly agree 100%. Sort of an expansion from my above response to Blossom...I have experienced this full/ satisfied sensation as well. Worldly and material desires seem to fade (emptiness of attachments from the world). The trick is to maintain without letting guardian get pushed aside... and I say guardian and not guard. A guard simply attacks by defending his ego, but a "guardian" is more balanced/ aware and maintains the vigilance of a spiritual warrior. The warrior should be mentioned as part of the guardians attributes/ facade that he/she may persist/ utilize as a drive. There is a way to build ones SELF through all the parts of HIMSELF without being marred down by oscillation/ internal dialogue/ worldly chatter/ matrix programming. As I understand it, there is reason/ logic then there is something called will which is part of a mans totality/ power. NOT to be confused with will power though IMO they are related. Realizing and exploring the other parts of SELF combined with these fruits is the main recipe for liberation IMO.
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Post by ML on Nov 1, 2019 17:07:12 GMT
this sticks out to me atm:
8. When one is gentle they reveal a spirit of meekness. They are free of ego, haughtiness and jealousy (pride). They have nothing to prove and they are not resentful or filled with pride. Thus leading to Temperance: LOVE = JOY = PEACE = PATIENCE = KINDNESS = GOODNESS = FAITH = GENTLENESS = TEMPERANCE
9. When a person is temperate they are not led into temptation to do wrong. They have self-restraint. They do the will of the F&M and CAN BREAK FREE FROM DEATH AND FINALLY ENTER LIFE ETERNAL (deliverance/holy matrimony/reunion of the Divine Spark + I AM Essence): LOVE = JOY = PEACE = PATIENCE = KINDNESS = GOODNESS = FAITH = GENTLENESS = TEMPERANCE = LIFE ETERNAL
This happens instantaneously from the mother/father in the NOW. Having life eternal. Being completely full and also completely empty! No needs, no cares, no worries, nothing that's a hindrance. Just FULL LIFE and FULL LIVING.
This does not seem real to many because we are in the REEL. But it is real, the transcendence of being. When one is aligned and using the fruits, I whole hardheartedly agree 100%. Sort of an expansion from my above response to Barbara...I have experienced this full/ satisfied sensation as well. Worldly and material desires seem to fade (emptiness of attachments from the world). The trick is to maintain without letting guardian get pushed aside... and I say guardian and not guard. A guard simply attacks by defending his ego, but a "guardian" is more balanced/ aware and maintains the vigilance of a spiritual warrior. The warrior should be mentioned as part of the guardians attributes/ facade that he/she may persist/ utilize as a drive. There is a way to build ones SELF through all the parts of HIMSELF without being marred down by oscillation/ internal dialogue/ worldly chatter/ matrix programming. As I understand it, there is reason/ logic then there is something called will which is part of a mans totality/ power. NOT to be confused with will power though IMO they are related. Realizing and exploring the other parts of SELF combined with these fruits is the main recipe for liberation IMO. Thanks for this post mate
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Post by ML on Nov 1, 2019 17:15:54 GMT
Excellent. Thank you. This information is key IMO. Reading his books currently. Interesting that he doesn't recognize the blood sacrifice as a ransom payment (mass energy transfer by sacrifice of The Christ?) to the god/archon of this world/ universe. Which is what Christians recognize and are "saved" by invoking. Angeliki also promotes. However, instead JVP calls sacrificing blood is used by the lower gods as part of their dirty work in this creation/fall. He maintains, as you have highlighted, that using the fruits by faith and Christs teachings, soul/spirit will liberate/ ascend/ exit the matrix/ find its way "home." IMO the fruits are the teachings of Christ and the tools of the spirit/soul of "true seeds" this aids in its liberation. This is all we really need to know? Everything else is a distraction.... By incarnating is this dyadic world. The christ made a 'sacrifice' meaning he did manifest into the world of death. the word 'sacrifice'is really controversial and it seems that everyone has their own interpretation. of course sacrificing a baby is purely Luciferian and/or Satanic. but the christ did sacrifice as he paid the ransom : Matthew 20:28 King James Version (KJV) 28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
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Post by ML on Nov 1, 2019 17:18:42 GMT
Some people are missing this in their understanding. Not saying its a requirement but it is a great truth.
They need to invoke this ransom being paid by the christ as postulated by Angeliki.
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Post by IW on Nov 17, 2019 15:47:50 GMT
Some people are missing this in their understanding. Not saying its a requirement but it is a great truth. They need to invoke this ransom being paid by the christ as postulated by Angeliki.
I do not agree with the normal beliefs of Christ dying on the cross and paying a ransom. For me that was the false Christ leading into Catholicism and is a push into not having meaning in life, except through a non self esteem giving until you have nothing- putting the church ahead of caring for your family, you are a worm without value so don't argue with what we the church says/postulates, should never speak up only worship and obey, being a doormat type, or be considered proud. All religions love these types of followers. Saint Peter, Saint Paul, all the "saints" with their hierarchy system, this was not what the real Christ taught, they turned everything into an external value.
Christ came here, this was His giving His life (there) for us (here) to show us the truth and way of this reality. He was an example of how to act and be in all he said and did. Most all of it was encoded inside his messages, using "their" double talk language (parables) to keep his "wayshowing" clear for those of us that look for a way out. Lots of that was purposefully lost and hidden behind the other Christ, which we know these "gods" all do, taking names, renaming themselves and causing confusion.
Any type of blood sacrifice is to these lower gods imo, since they are always after "blood". Eat my flesh and drink my blood- all the symbolism portrayed in churches throughout the ages, have everything to do with how these "gods" treat humanity as food for them.
Having people unwittingly follow "their" ways in church is just one more way they can laugh at our stupidity.
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Post by ML on Nov 18, 2019 0:38:02 GMT
Some people are missing this in their understanding. Not saying its a requirement but it is a great truth. They need to invoke this ransom being paid by the christ as postulated by Angeliki.
I do not agree with the normal beliefs of Christ dying on the cross and paying a ransom. For me that was the false Christ leading into Catholicism and is a push into not having meaning in life, except through a non self esteem giving until you have nothing- putting the church ahead of caring for your family, you are a worm without value so don't argue with what we the church says/postulates, should never speak up only worship and obey, being a doormat type, or be considered proud. All religions love these types of followers. Saint Peter, Saint Paul, all the "saints" with their hierarchy system, this was not what the real Christ taught, they turned everything into an external value.
Christ came here, this was His giving His life (there) for us (here) to show us the truth and way of this reality. He was an example of how to act and be in all he said and did. Most all of it was encoded inside his messages, using "their" double talk language (parables) to keep his "wayshowing" clear for those of us that look for a way out. Lots of that was purposefully lost and hidden behind the other Christ, which we know these "gods" all do, taking names, renaming themselves and causing confusion.
Any type of blood sacrifice is to these lower gods imo, since they are always after "blood". Eat my flesh and drink my blood- all the symbolism portrayed in churches throughout the ages, have everything to do with how these "gods" treat humanity as food for them.
Having people unwittingly follow "their" ways in church is just one more way they can laugh at our stupidity.
Hebrew to Greek to Latin to Greek again to English Language and words They have multi meaning. Ransom in this case also has so many meanings other that this reply of yours wome, there are many others that equate the word ransom to 'blood sacrifice' i do not. paying the ransom to me is the filling in the balance left out to be paid in the karmic system ( just one of the many meanings ) by this ransom (Let's imagine money or gold coins). the karmic debt of those who did the work are now paid. for example : an Aion has incarnated into the Dyadic world of Lucifer 10 times. and 9 times he did terrible damage to others.. leaving him a negative in value. can he now balance that out in just a single turn? mathematically impossible. another example is : lets say we are in a prison (w/c we all agree here). and the rule is you work your ass off so that you can gain credit points to attain a certain number to get out. now on every turn you gain points but sometimes you lose points. now come in Christ piercing through the whole prison leaving a pathway to freedom and saying "I have paid your captors, all of you who have ears, can go out". upon hearing this and "realizing" this, you went out and headed to the way out after the machine (that you previously think its you) you are operating went broken or dead. but at the end of the path the prison guards stops you. we all know what to tell them here tribunilapulapu.freeforums.net/thread/349/jesus-gospel-thomas-tips-home ---
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Post by IW on Nov 18, 2019 3:35:35 GMT
""another example is : lets say we are in a prison (w/c we all agree here). and the rule is you work your ass off so that you can gain credit points to attain a certain number to get out. now on every turn you gain points but sometimes you lose points.
now come in Christ piercing through the whole prison leaving a pathway to freedom and saying "I have paid your captors, all of you who have ears, can go out". upon hearing this and "realizing" this, you went out and headed to the way out after the machine (that you previously think its you) you are operating went broken or dead. but at the end of the path the prison guards stops you. we all know what to tell them here
tribunilapulapu.freeforums.net/thread/349/jesus-gospel-thomas-tips-home ""
Thanks for your response Miron, a really good conversation to have and I appreciate your explanation.
Christ did lift the barrier of "karmic debt" to be paid, as you say, since the reincarnation "trap" is ending, but he is not the one to erase the debt to be paid. The difference is that now we are able to pay it forward towards our own release and freedom, while in the F/M/C , all the negatives won't count against us as it did before. If our spirit is connected with the Truth and our inner being is awakened, we are now able to walk in that and THEY will count it as faith expressed.
This also is our protection, it is created by walking and growing in the Truth, and disconnecting from this system of death. This is what it means to become invisible. We no longer act/react to the duality system, no longer partaking from the poisoned well, and now drink from the Eternal Spring within "Trueseeds".
I think I am resaying what you tried to say, just a bit differently. Are we on the same page?
Thanks.
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Post by ML on Nov 18, 2019 5:47:17 GMT
i feel that its the same thing but with different wordings Thnks
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Post by ML on Nov 21, 2019 1:27:01 GMT
In this image. The Christ brakes the egg and created a path within the hologram/creation. how? Because he manifested with a complete 15 strand DNA construct, it was a manifestation/projection by a spiritual wholeness and not by a soul. the soul is in mortgage to the creation. while the Christ is pure. John 14:30 King James Version (KJV)
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 3:37:49 GMT
Personally I no longer believe in a soul. I think we are 3D manifestation of spirit. No more or no less important that other factions of your own being.
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Post by ML on Nov 21, 2019 4:14:08 GMT
Personally I no longer believe in a soul. I think we are 3D manifestation of spirit. No more or no less important that other factions of your own being. In technical terms. Soul is the energetic-al us that dwell in the hologram. some calls energy the fake spirit. maybe because its the projection of the spirit. and funny thing about the word soul is. it was used by a many supposed ancient/holy book like The bible Hermetica Plato's writings Gnostics maybe a single group have written all these books?? most likely.
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