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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 18:32:23 GMT
But to what end? If folks are just existing, as many are here, where is the meaning of it all? Why do anything? Just going to one country or another (ore one dimension or another) provides what, exactly? Without an actual purpose for going, visiting other places has very limited appeal. Is it moving me closer to self actualization? Now that'd be my first question for why explore. How I see it is that it helps you become aware without the constraints and filters of the physical body and brain. Ofc our 4D awareness is still not the true awareness, the soul is not yet completely consciously awake. Most of the time when we dream, we also go out of body and we don't even realize it. We unfortunately also forget most of our dreams when we wake up. So consciously going out of body would for me be a new step to see how it looks like and maybe also to get answers. I often had sleep paralysis and each time it scared me off. I now realize that sleep paralysis is what happens before or after an OBE and that you should train your mind to make clear that you are in this or that stage.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 5:37:49 GMT
This is Philip Goddard's hypothetical illustration related to the possibility of consciousness becoming trapped. Of course it could be programming only. Whatever the case any new incarnates would be at risk. From True Nature of 'The Forces of Darkness'
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Post by IW on Oct 15, 2018 0:40:16 GMT
So many times words have the ability to trip us up. I have just read Miron's post on mini minion Chris Pratt and the "having a soul" idea.
A few days ago I had read Merlin's post as a guest on Wes' forum about the darkness being what the light is "supposed" to be in religious terminology (revealing). Yes the light can be blinding, as in the tunnel of light.
The darkness can be creepy as Myka pointed out in her post about the forest changing how it appears from daytime to night time.
All of these examples for me mainly show that it really doesn't matter what words are being used, light or dark, our intent and inner work will shines forth the truth.
It's our living the truth, in simplicity, in harmony, in focus that keeps us in the " Clarity of being" as Philip Goddard's site exemplifies.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2018 22:21:20 GMT
"I myself had 'bought' the story of all these 'dimensions' of supposedly higher reality, but it never matched up with my direct perception of myself as simply a manifestation or micro-facet of fundamental consciousness - in which the perception of specific levels or dimensions of 'higher' reality simply didn't make sense, and neither did the notion of higher beings make sense to me, because I as an Earthly human was already a manifestation of 'the Ultimate', so, where was the room for beings that were 'higher' than me?
Also, I'd point out that in all the time I was channelling, every single communication that was supposedly coming from a 'higher' source, such as an ascended master, angel, archangel, 'higher' guide, the supposed Creator Consciousness, or indeed my own 'higher self', revealed its source as having of a much lower order of awareness and intellect than I myself have, and definitely light-years away from enlightenment - which very much supports my subsequent recognition of those beings / presences not at all being what they were making out to be. At best they all appeared to be shallow cardboard-cut-out copies of very ordinary people who thought they had some sort of superior position."
Philip Goddard
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Post by girlscout on Oct 24, 2018 2:13:18 GMT
"I myself had 'bought' the story of all these 'dimensions' of supposedly higher reality, but it never matched up with my direct perception of myself as simply a manifestation or micro-facet of fundamental consciousness - in which the perception of specific levels or dimensions of 'higher' reality simply didn't make sense, and neither did the notion of higher beings make sense to me, because I as an Earthly human was already a manifestation of 'the Ultimate', so, where was the room for beings that were 'higher' than me? Also, I'd point out that in all the time I was channelling, every single communication that was supposedly coming from a 'higher' source, such as an ascended master, angel, archangel, 'higher' guide, the supposed Creator Consciousness, or indeed my own 'higher self', revealed its source as having of a much lower order of awareness and intellect than I myself have, and definitely light-years away from enlightenment - which very much supports my subsequent recognition of those beings / presences not at all being what they were making out to be. At best they all appeared to be shallow cardboard-cut-out copies of very ordinary people who thought they had some sort of superior position." Philip GoddardIt just seems to me that awareness of our own non-physical components might be wise. I’ve been in many physical incarnations here - and have my doubts that anyone goes towards freedom “automatically “.
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Post by girlscout on Oct 24, 2018 23:49:28 GMT
Something that seems as down to earth and practical as Philip Goddard's (related, I guess): cassiopaea.org/cass/stalking.htmPrecis on The Good and The Evil by Michael Topper Excerpts from an article in which Topper discusses the higher realms in terms of economy! We thus see the Hermetic connection: As above, so below, and vice versa. We can surmise the agenda above, by observing the dynamics below! [Edited for clarity and brevity] In the case of both positive and negative beings of 4th Density, the negotiable currency of their transactions is a bio-psychic energy; the mode of both is accumulation, in the sense of storing and putting such biopsychic energy-capital to work in powering or transforming the centers toward deeper integration and functional unity. Due to the character of our traditional spiritual and esoteric teachings, we may have a conceptual difficulty understanding how a being of a higher density manages to acquire its status without benefit of any basic heart-development. Positive beings at 4th density have achieved the necessary intensity and developmental alignment through conscious decisions based on recognition of the abstract propriety of identifiable divine law. […] Such beings display a recognizably "scientific" approach to spiritual considerations; they openly regard Divine Light as a mensurable magnitude. […] Their apparent "coldness" or objectivity is only apparent. They register the distress of others and modify their approach accordingly. […] One need only compare the behavior of truly negative beings to appreciate the difference. In the famous account of Whitley Strieber [there is] an adequate example. […] In Strieber's account, we witness the astonishing effort to transmute those horrific experiences into a positive outline. Thus Strieber, with almost excruciating transparency invokes the standard "humanistic" saw to the effect that dichotomies of good-and-evil are too simplistic and medieval, truth always being some "gray" blend of opposites; in this way he shields from himself the obvious implications of his ongoing ordeal. But more importantly, he demonstrates to perfection the procedure of how one "falls into the hands" of the Negative Beings and, by the denial mechanism of 3rd density psychology, creates the belief that "good" things, developmental things, positively proceed from such ordeals. […] His conclusions, his distillates of what he's learned, insist almost schizophrenically that these entities must in some way have the "good of mankind" at heart, but that through the apparent terrorism of their utterly unworldly appearance and vile behavior they function something on the order of "cosmic zen masters," taking a stick to our stubborn skulls. […] As "proof" of the actually liberating work they're performing, Strieber invokes the fact that owing to his jarring experiences he's "come loose" and is able to sample in waking consciousness the phenomenon of astral travel. Strieber's inventory of "positive side effects" on the whole describe a definitive list of what would be characterized as distinct inroads in the Negative program of conquest and ultimate Soul-capture. Like diabolical chessmen, Strieber inadvertently shows that the "space beings" have maneuvered and bullied his thoroughly beleaguered psyche into actively choosing the hypothesis with which they've implicitly enveloped him. […] In further "defending" his tormentors and interpreting their tactics as a strict but ultimately benevolent discipline, Strieber helpfully displays for us one of the common vulnerabilities on which the Negative tactics count, a kind of hook upon which the Soul is sure to be snagged: the persistent intellectual pride which refuses to be counseled when the counsel seems to touch too close to truth; for any suggestion that his entities are plain evil - that he might be being deceived - seems to cause him to clutch his experiences the more covetously, and guard his interpretation jealously from any who might have a revealing word. He proclaims over and again that no one can explain his experiences to him since they're uniquely his, that anyone with another interpretation ipso facto has an ax to grind; and finally, his intellectual superiority makes him uniquely qualified to pioneer this field which he acknowledges sharing with other "abductees," inferentially not so well qualified. In other words, he invokes the ever popular "its MY truth!" It is this type of rationalization and self-protective recoil upon which the Negative design counts. It is these psychological properties of 3rd density consciousness which serve all too predictably to convert scenarios of coercion into full volitional acceptance.[Stockholm Syndrome] [Strieber] accepts and defends in full Will, like a snapping terrier protecting its bone against all comers; and that is too bad, because by his own account and according to his public history he is a man of gentle instinct and kind, overtly benevolent traits. […]
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Post by Philip Goddard on Oct 25, 2018 9:10:38 GMT
Hi there, nice people!
This is to congratulate you guys on being the first forum I've ever seen in which people are troubling to read my pages properly (i.e., not distorted by one's beliefs / opinions) and properly thinking about the various challenging points I make, instead of just reacting to them out of defensiveness of cherished beliefs and emotional attachments.
I know about the majority of forum threads linking to my site because I examine my detailed website statistics daily, and do a quick check on any new forum thread that is showing as a referrer in the listings. In fact yesterday I got the biggest flurry of page requests on my Self-Realization site for a long time from a forum, but when I investigated, pretty predictably I found just a mass of opinionated dismissal and ridicule, even from the original poster. According to them, if they were misunderstanding what I'd written, it was because my pages were so badly written. -- Oh well, I'm wrong, wrong, and wrong again. Everyone knows that, don't they, so it isn't a significant observation! :-)
After that, following up a few click-throughs from your forum today was quite a relief.
Incidentally, NOBODY nowadays needs to have trouble finding out what I mean my the garbage or any other of the important terms I use, because nowadays my pages are plastered with glossary links, and 'garbage' must be the most glossary-linked term of all. I added the Glossary page a few years ago precisely because people were complaining about how much work it was for them to find out the meaning of some of the terms I was using.
Please note that my general policy is to keep right out of forums, just so that my time is spent more usefully - and that even includes 'friendly' forums like yours. You've no doubt read on my site what I have to say about the problems for anyone about forum involvement, so I'm sure you'll understand why, with all the best will in the world, I'm not going to be taking part in any discussions here. This is just to give you a little friendly heads-up and encouragement to keep setting aside and dissolving all beliefs and preconceived notions so that increasingly you get seeing what's really there and really going on. Then you're in a position to do *effective* things about it.
All the best,
Philip
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 22:31:49 GMT
"I myself had 'bought' the story of all these 'dimensions' of supposedly higher reality, but it never matched up with my direct perception of myself as simply a manifestation or micro-facet of fundamental consciousness - in which the perception of specific levels or dimensions of 'higher' reality simply didn't make sense, and neither did the notion of higher beings make sense to me, because I as an Earthly human was already a manifestation of 'the Ultimate', so, where was the room for beings that were 'higher' than me? Also, I'd point out that in all the time I was channelling, every single communication that was supposedly coming from a 'higher' source, such as an ascended master, angel, archangel, 'higher' guide, the supposed Creator Consciousness, or indeed my own 'higher self', revealed its source as having of a much lower order of awareness and intellect than I myself have, and definitely light-years away from enlightenment - which very much supports my subsequent recognition of those beings / presences not at all being what they were making out to be. At best they all appeared to be shallow cardboard-cut-out copies of very ordinary people who thought they had some sort of superior position." Philip GoddardIt just seems to me that awareness of our own non-physical components might be wise. I’ve been in many physical incarnations here - and have my doubts that anyone goes towards freedom “automatically “. Philip Goddard does recommend that one should do their own work in this regard, i.e. test things out for themselves. For myself I have always been a bit sceptical of 'higher', so this resonates with me. I have had a very brief subtle immersive experience where I felt one with / bigger than everything (whilst hiking and looking down over the mountain range below) so have an inkling of what he is talking about. I have always assumed that this is not an uncommon experience i.e. I remember saying to a friend "I am sure you must have had an experience where you felt one with / bigger than everything" when we were talking about 'spirituality' and he responded in the affirmative. I have also had a brief experience of being 'one' with the 'light' (whilst sitting outside under a tree doing an ACIM lesson) which was a less subtle, more flashy experience. I think the lesson was "I am the light of the world" if I remember correctly. I have also had experiences of expansion / void when going inward, with 'black and white' (grey) moving images on a couple of occasions, one of which was of 'good' (positive) and 'evil' (negative) flowing towards each other and then down, sort of like two waterfalls merging. This happened when I was thinking deeply about duality. I have also had thoughts and (for a short time more recently) images (thoughts or memories that are not coming from me/not mine) try to insert themselves in my mind, but they have always felt distant and alien and have never 'taken' so to speak. I once went to a lady who did past life regressions, because I would become anxious and my hands would shake (which turned out, at that time, to be caused by the medication I was on after my 'episode'). The only 'past lives' that came to my mind were loosely based on things I had read. I told her that I felt that I had made them up because I felt pressured to come up with something. She suggested that I come back and use an African 'herb', which would help me access my memories. It seemed a bit off to me, so I declined. By Philip Goddard's assessment, it could have ungrounded me and opened me up to 'the garbage' (not that I have generally been that grounded, although more so recently). All of these experiences (as well as other very specific happenings) have given me some understanding of / caused me to resonate with information I have come across later.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 13:28:33 GMT
Ah yes this site, i've known it for quite a while and seen it change overtime. I think it is very good. It helped me after all the problems I had and got with new age/spiritualism. However, it is hard to genuinely apply the things that are suggested at a deep level, it is so easy to get side tracked. Takes a lot of self scrutiny and focus. O-o
I like his working model because it is simple and strips of all the unnecessary details that some theories come with. Though it is necessary to understand its just a model and well not everything may be on point. What's really important is that you look at your life rationally and critically. He suggests this technique called energy testing that helps you identify what is strengthening and what is weakening, which i've actually had problems being able to do correctly ;p
But i've being doing his other yogic related practices which I recommend, particularly expanding clarity. And the affirmations/declarations of intent are quite good and useful, some people may be aware of similar practices aimed at revoking contracts or 'regaining sovereignty'. (Except most of those are bleghhh)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 14:58:02 GMT
Hi there, nice people! This is to congratulate you guys on being the first forum I've ever seen in which people are troubling to read my pages properly (i.e., not distorted by one's beliefs / opinions) and properly thinking about the various challenging points I make, instead of just reacting to them out of defensiveness of cherished beliefs and emotional attachments. I know about the majority of forum threads linking to my site because I examine my detailed website statistics daily, and do a quick check on any new forum thread that is showing as a referrer in the listings. In fact yesterday I got the biggest flurry of page requests on my Self-Realization site for a long time from a forum, but when I investigated, pretty predictably I found just a mass of opinionated dismissal and ridicule, even from the original poster. According to them, if they were misunderstanding what I'd written, it was because my pages were so badly written. -- Oh well, I'm wrong, wrong, and wrong again. Everyone knows that, don't they, so it isn't a significant observation! :-) After that, following up a few click-throughs from your forum today was quite a relief. Incidentally, NOBODY nowadays needs to have trouble finding out what I mean my the garbage or any other of the important terms I use, because nowadays my pages are plastered with glossary links, and 'garbage' must be the most glossary-linked term of all. I added the Glossary page a few years ago precisely because people were complaining about how much work it was for them to find out the meaning of some of the terms I was using. Please note that my general policy is to keep right out of forums, just so that my time is spent more usefully - and that even includes 'friendly' forums like yours. You've no doubt read on my site what I have to say about the problems for anyone about forum involvement, so I'm sure you'll understand why, with all the best will in the world, I'm not going to be taking part in any discussions here. This is just to give you a little friendly heads-up and encouragement to keep setting aside and dissolving all beliefs and preconceived notions so that increasingly you get seeing what's really there and really going on. Then you're in a position to do *effective* things about it. All the best, Philip Thanks for your visit Phillip. I understand your view on forums but this is a group of searchers that treat each other more like family than forum members. We have no trouble bouncing ideas off each other and setting each other straight.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 2:51:25 GMT
Ah yes this site, i've known it for quite a while and seen it change overtime. I think it is very good. It helped me after all the problems I had and got with new age/spiritualism. However, it is hard to genuinely apply the things that are suggested at a deep level, it is so easy to get side tracked. Takes a lot of self scrutiny and focus. O-o I like his working model because it is simple and strips of all the unnecessary details that some theories come with. Though it is necessary to understand its just a model and well not everything may be on point. What's really important is that you look at your life rationally and critically. He suggests this technique called energy testing that helps you identify what is strengthening and what is weakening, which i've actually had problems being able to do correctly ;p But i've being doing his other yogic related practices which I recommend, particularly expanding clarity. And the affirmations/declarations of intent are quite good and useful, some people may be aware of similar practices aimed at revoking contracts or 'regaining sovereignty'. (Except most of those are bleghhh) I remember you Griff. I followed your link to Philip Goddard's site (eventually). Thanks, it has been very enlightening.
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Post by ML on Oct 28, 2018 7:43:01 GMT
Ah yes this site, i've known it for quite a while and seen it change overtime. I think it is very good. It helped me after all the problems I had and got with new age/spiritualism. However, it is hard to genuinely apply the things that are suggested at a deep level, it is so easy to get side tracked. Takes a lot of self scrutiny and focus. O-o I like his working model because it is simple and strips of all the unnecessary details that some theories come with. Though it is necessary to understand its just a model and well not everything may be on point. What's really important is that you look at your life rationally and critically. He suggests this technique called energy testing that helps you identify what is strengthening and what is weakening, which i've actually had problems being able to do correctly ;p But i've being doing his other yogic related practices which I recommend, particularly expanding clarity. And the affirmations/declarations of intent are quite good and useful, some people may be aware of similar practices aimed at revoking contracts or 'regaining sovereignty'. (Except most of those are bleghhh) welcome griffy ))))
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Post by Hans Schokkenbroek on Nov 5, 2018 22:25:56 GMT
YES it is that easy What about consent? I tend to say before going to sleep: "I do not consent to..." Is it superfluous as well? Thanks for the entire thread! I think it all depends on you Elisabeth. Words are part of this system and are never ever going to express what I feel, what my intentions are. So I think that saying "I do not consent.." is not useful for me. At one point on my personal journey I did though, but once I found the True Light there was no more need for it. My feelings, my Parents, tell me all is well. Getting insights and views from others may be useful in gaining knowledge but the answers in my opinion can only ever be found inside of yourself..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 16:05:55 GMT
One small thing, I will let others come to their own conclusion but from, what I am aware of, it's not so helpful to think of things in terms of light, because of the way it has associations with something external and something far out, new agey things. Even if its refering to it in relation to false light. It's another shiny lure away from ourselves, better to think in terms of consciousness. “To know thyself, look within.” And yeah, no consent statements are not necessary, but still can be useful to state your intent to keep clear though. If you spend time on the material of the clarity of being site there is more on that.
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Post by ML on Nov 7, 2018 1:08:04 GMT
One small thing, I will let others come to their own conclusion but from, what I am aware of, it's not so helpful to think of things in terms of light, because of the way it has associations with something external and something far out, new agey things. Even if its refering to it in relation to false light.It's another shiny lure away from ourselves, better to think in terms of consciousness. “To know thyself, look within.” And yeah, no consent statements are not necessary, but still can be useful to state your intent to keep clear though. If you spend time on the material of the clarity of being site there is more on that. That is interesting. scientifically what they call light are the radiation. even non visible lights are 'light' according to scientists...
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Post by IW on Nov 7, 2018 5:38:46 GMT
Words are such a downgrade from "what is"
There's no way for there to not be confusion from it no matter how things are put, described, explained. You can repeat the same thing someone else just said, and it might not even mean what that person said, depending on where you are or who you are speaking to. How trippy is all that?
Thinking of what Miron said/ scientifically what they call light are the radiation.
This reminds me how I see truelight ( the True Light).
That spark in someone's eye, the twinkle.
This is the light within that radiates out. That's how I see it anyhow.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 7:32:55 GMT
It has nice metaphorical associations when you put it that way. But i feel like still there are more practical terms to use at least some of the time, it really does depend on the context though! In the end there is no actual physical light (unless your talking about idk praying to the sun or a lamp or something). Though of course it's true no words can really embody something, words always screw up somehow, particularly i find that with the english language (tries to be to scientific and reductionist, in addition the english language likes to externalise and objectify everything even when something isn't really an object, it sucks). I think the main problem with light is that if there is light there is also dark, yet, there is nothing inherently wrong with a pitchblack room for example, its only through distorted fear that a dark room is scary. Plus the fact that 'the light' seems in that context to be something external, so it can seem quite off and confusing term, it almost sounds like something seperate.
It's true that there is a inner spark in some people, but when you really dig down to it all that is illusion or at least just a convinient description, there isn't really anything radiating out, more like a resonance in one sense but even that is just descriptive stuff, that won't really cut it. That inner essence is in everyone i'd think it's just more hidden in others.. unfortunately. Still its up to others to choose the terms they see works the best for them.
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Post by ML on Nov 9, 2018 8:27:16 GMT
It has nice metaphorical associations when you put it that way. But i feel like still there are more practical terms to use at least some of the time, it really does depend on the context though! In the end there is no actual physical light (unless your talking about idk praying to the sun or a lamp or something). Though of course it's true no words can really embody something, words always screw up somehow, particularly i find that with the english language (tries to be to scientific and reductionist, in addition the english language likes to externalise and objectify everything even when something isn't really an object, it sucks). I think the main problem with light is that if there is light there is also dark, yet, there is nothing inherently wrong with a pitchblack room for example, its only through distorted fear that a dark room is scary. Plus the fact that 'the light' seems in that context to be something external, so it can seem quite off and confusing term, it almost sounds like something seperate. It's true that there is a inner spark in some people, but when you really dig down to it all that is illusion or at least just a convinient description, there isn't really anything radiating out, more like a resonance in one sense but even that is just descriptive stuff, that won't really cut it. That inner essence is in everyone i'd think it's just more hidden in others.. unfortunately. Still its up to others to choose the terms they see works the best for them. on the red : That is only TRUE here in the Material Universe...There is no such thing in our home. on the blueThere is as far as i can see three different kinds of 'people' 1. The people with spark...( The spark entrapped by the Soul) 2. The people with Soul but without a spark 3. The peope who are meat robots who is empty of soul My take Thanks!
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Post by ML on Nov 9, 2018 8:37:06 GMT
and i am confident enough to speculate that 1. Most of the people in this group are Meat Robots 2. This man has a soul but without a 'spark' 3. This man has a spark within his soul
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 14:59:11 GMT
YES it is that easy What about consent? I tend to say before going to sleep: "I do not consent to..." Is it superfluous as well? Thanks for the entire thread! Hey Elisabeth, I used to do the same as you before, but meanwhile I got other insights about this "no consent". How I see it now is that, if you express your non-consent against some contract, you actually confirm the validity of the contract or the trap and it's power over you. By just saying/thinking "bullshit" (or anything other you wish or even not saying/thinking anything at all), you cancel its validity and power. By not fighting it anymore, by not giving it any attention anymore it has to vanish because it isn't feeded anymore by your energy.
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Post by IW on Nov 11, 2018 17:58:25 GMT
I'm not totally sure why the term "meat robot" gives me the giggles, but it does. lol.
Yes to me the true light is that spark, that illumination within a person that has the seed of truth within them.
The terminology of course CAN go off course to mean many things like you said griffy, depending on the context.
The easiest way to understand light is to SEE the EFFECT of it. Otherwise like you said- mostly people will only be able to understand the external meaning. But like most truth, there are many layers to it and its up to each person how far they want to go with it.
If you think of the light as Truth, as consciousness, as the Spark within. It is a force. An external example of this effect is similar to Turning on the light in a dark room and watching a horde of cockroaches run!
Lies must flee similar to this, they cannot stand in the "light" of truth. This is not just a nice illusion or convenient description. This force is the light that shines into the darkness of men/women.
The "dark" is also is a force. The force of illusion and trickery/manipulation- spells.
Once again I bring up my example, since I believe with discernment it IS Visible to see this spark or lack of when looking into someone's eyes. It's a window into their personal condition and what is within them. Maybe you would call this resonation, but I think that is something else.
I do agree with your original comment in that some words are just soooo overused like "love" that it could mean just about anything, therefore the use of it easily causes confusion or dispute.
There is a reason why some words are overused, aside from the confusion and conflict, that somehow this overuse weakens the power behind the real meaning of it, since there becomes too many "meanings" and therefore wide open to all sorts of personal preferences of use.
On the flip side, I tend to agree with Merlin, when it does concern actual "physical" light. This is not illuminating, dark is much more illuminating to what is than the light, which for me is disorienting or blinding if its too bright.
If you look at this esoterically speaking, I think the AIF or model of use here, is to use the light to distract from the truth, they will shine or put the focus "limelight" towards something that may seem to be heartfelt, like ' working on a cure for cancer'. When in fact its a gimmick for folks to feel good about something that goes no where. (sorry cancer people).
Food for thought here.
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Post by girlscout on Nov 25, 2018 11:00:56 GMT
Corroboration Data, and more!
From “Joy’sWay” by W. Brush Joy, M.D.:
THOUGHT FORMS AND ESSENCES - The moment human consciousness images, a thought form is created. ...
It is critical to distinguish between the thought form of Jesus Christ, the actual Jesus Christ, and the essence of Christ. While the actual Christ exists as a single essence, the Christ thought form exists in unbelievable numbers. ... All thought forms created by the human mind may be dissolved by the human mind, but what the human mind did not create cannot be dissolved by it. This difference can be the key to telling them apart. ...
Disbelief in thought forms seems to have a protective or shielding effect but only so long as people stay away from explorations of subtle reality. If they begin to lose their disbelief, they are unprotected unless they go through the experience to the start of understanding.
It is a difficult subject, to say the least.
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Post by girlscout on Nov 25, 2018 11:10:26 GMT
Also from “Joy’sWay” by W. Brush Joy, M.D.:
...the great deceivers were to be encountered when one entered the subtle levels of awareness. ... “The true spiritual beings of high development have a full aura ... they are filled with a particular quality of white clear light. ... Thought form, creatures and forms similar to human, as well as the demonic, are in the darker shades. Salute the Divinity in them. If they are spiritual beings they will respond. If they don’t, send them on their way.”
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“It’s only a poltergeist, dear. It won’t hurt you if you don’t fear it. ... Tell it to go away. Say that it has no business there. Tell it to go back where it came from.” I felt a calm come over me - then anger. ... “Get out!” Much to my amazement, it did.
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Post by IW on Dec 20, 2018 6:34:17 GMT
from Mr Goddard's ('enlightenment' personal experience link)
* Yes, that's one great problem - that what these Tibetan 'masters' say or write is regarded as 'teachings'. That's all to do with the control-agenda-distorted relationship between 'master' and his / her 'students' or 'disciples'.
Fundamentally, there's really only one teacher for oneself - one's own life experience!
All that these so-called 'masters' can really usefully do is to give some pertinent prompts and pointers to assist people in learning from their own life experience. The rest is baggage and harmful agenda.
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Post by IW on Dec 20, 2018 6:46:40 GMT
... ..seen to be part of an overall patten of control agenda and personal status issues revolving around the so-called 'masters' and their hierarchy of priests (okay, lamas - it's all the same really!).
If they were really free of garbage influence they wouldn't be calling themselves masters nor gurus, nor having ongoing circles of dependent students, and would be actively seeking to empower people in finding their own unique expression as self-actualized individuals, instead of cultivating the 'sheep' mentality - forever following, following, following, and swallowing teachings, teachings, teachings!
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Post by IW on Dec 20, 2018 6:52:36 GMT
Thank you once again Mr Goddard for your wonderful site!
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What is a beneficial ongoing practice in everyday life is simply allowing yourself to be peaceful, non-judgemental observer of all that you experience, whether seemingly pleasant or unpleasant - seeing everything that you experience as existing or arising within your mindspace and not being external to it. Indeed, the need is to go one step further and recognise through direct perception, that you are your awareness / consciousness (including your entire mindspace) rather than being anything that possesses it or exists within it. That's all there is to it - so simple!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 23:29:57 GMT
... ..seen to be part of an overall patten of control agenda and personal status issues revolving around the so-called 'masters' and their hierarchy of priests (okay, lamas - it's all the same really!).
If they were really free of garbage influence they wouldn't be calling themselves masters nor gurus, nor having ongoing circles of dependent students, and would be actively seeking to empower people in finding their own unique expression as self-actualized individuals, instead of cultivating the 'sheep' mentality - forever following, following, following, and swallowing teachings, teachings, teachings! Over at the Biblio site I am reading War in Heaven. This book is describing the Garbage and our relationship to them like no other. It might be the first writing that is truly making sense to me. It very much ties into things Wes, John and Phillip have said but it is flat out in your face scary. No matter what a human gets thrilled about in life there is a group of "them" waiting to take them under wing.. Influencing here and now and at the next level which is nowhere but right next door. I am going to have a lot to say about this is coming days.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 22:07:05 GMT
Quote (exit spirituality- enter clear mindedness)
The problem with 'spirituality' The very notion of 'spirituality' or 'spirit' implies movement - spatial movement. Implicit in spatial movement is separateness. The troublesome influence that brings us delusion, power / control agendas, fear and negativity - i.e., the garbage - brought in the concepts of 'spirituality' and 'spirit' as a potent device to ensnare and sidetrack everyone who has aspirations for self-actualization, so as to bring the people progressively more under its control and domination.
The garbage interferes with us ALL, usually covertly, using all manner of deceits, ploys and lures, to get us perceiving our life experience in terms of separation - specifically, separation from fundamental consciousness, which latter is actually our own deepest aspect and true nature. And so the garbage has covertly manipulated or controlled people into setting up countless religions and 'spiritual' paths in which people's true deepest aspect is misinterpreted as something separate from oneself. In many cases it's deified in a gross and really quite materialistic way as 'God' or equivalent, as in many religions, while in others various much more subtle and 'sneaky' deceptions are used. In the more mystical traditions it is normal to regard us all as being 'Spirit' (or some equivalent name, which in some cases is 'God', so nicely confusing people).
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Once you've lost or distorted the perception of yourself as being actually fundamental consciousness itself, and have at least an implicit sense of separateness from it, you've lost your direction for true self-actualization, and then you find yourself following one of the myriad variations of 'spiritual path' that the garbage has put into people's minds to follow. Along with a sense of separation comes power and control agendas.
... The very concept of a 'spiritual path' or 'spiritual journey' incorporates a sense of separation and obfuscates the simple fact that self-actualization is right here, in the 'now'.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 16:05:53 GMT
Extract "Just where is this 'insult' that so many people complain about, whether the supposed insulted person is one's grandmother or one's P---- (standing for 'manhood' or religious leader, I don't care!)?
Actually, in real terms, the 'insult' is in the mind of the complainant. Yes, it's the complainant, the aggrieved person, who's created the insult - not the person accused of doing the insulting. It isn't that the person who triggered the 'insult' response has necessarily acted sensibly (though he or she might have, depending on the specific situation!). Rather, what that person did was simply to make some sort of statement, representation or implication that the offendable person didn't want to countenance - usually because it highlighted one or more issues that the purportedly insulted person actually really does need to address. "
"Remaining aggrieved because of somebody's supposed 'insult' does no favours to the aggrieved or indeed anyone else. Indeed, for the aggrieved it directly causes health problems long-term, including increased tendency for certain types of cancer, quite apart from greatly distorting and degrading his life experience. Acts of revenge of any sort do NOT clear that grudge anyway, and indeed further distort and degrade the aggrieved person's life experience. Thus a vengeful, grudge-bearing mindset is effectively a self harm mindset, quite apart from the harm it does to others!
Yes, each time he wreaks another act of retribution upon somebody, the avenger is creating additional karmas and unhappiness for himself, so he is (increasingly) in a right old mess. "
From he has insulted my banana
(Note: the full writing is written in relation to how people get offended and act out particularly when you portray certain religious characters for example. I find this useful in explaining what people really mean by taking offense to something.There is also a time where it is ok to act out but that is different from taking revenge.)
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Post by IW on Jan 8, 2019 1:07:11 GMT
Griffy,
This ties in nicely with your people to avoid post...
The insult thing speaks volumes to me about family relations too and how most everyone grows up in an environment that puts attachments/fears/misconceptions onto us from birth. Whether its about male dominance/female inferiority, conservative/liberal, equalitarian/dictator household, homophobia, even anger issues/triggers etc.
One person can for an odd reason "(the 'insult' is in the mind of the complainant)" and then for generations a family can hold onto a grudge or belief not knowing or understanding where it came from. Bunch of bananas.
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