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Post by Barbara on Aug 17, 2018 5:43:35 GMT
Noooooo !!!
I begin to understand what this is saying and how mother feels. It begins with a story (which become beliefs) and then descends into mayhem. The baby (consciousness) is consumed by the 'story' and resulting mayhem.
More and more 'stories' add fuel to the fire.
This is perhaps why hidden hand said don't try to fix the whole thing (paraphrasing).... more story... more fuel... more 'garbage'
As Philip Goddard says : There is an inherent problem with forums generally, in that these are places where people discuss ideas. Unfortunately doing that is one of the myriad side-tracks that point people away from self-actualization - for the 'forum-heads' forever consider and discuss other people's views and outlooks instead of turning to the one source of the vital information and insight that they actually need - their own deepest aspects.
So, asking another person, for example, "What do you think of this fellow Philip Goddard?" may be a fascinating pastime, but that sort of behaviour is also a well-nigh complete block to any genuine self-actualization direction.
I talk here NOT about right and wrong, nor "should" and "shouldn't", but simply of cause and effect. What do you want in your life - forever fascinating discussions relating to various notions of self-actualization, or genuine self-actualization itself? The two are virtually completely mutually exclusive.
Of course there is the flip side of this, which is that our 'discussions' can bring us to necessary realisations.
I have noted, however, that what people write or say lands up in the minds of others and comes out with distortions (I would venture to say 'garbage' sourced distortions). This is why everyone 'appears' to be (separately) coming to similar conclusions.
A movie that is worth watching to get a sense of how 'the garbage' operates is "The Endless" (a Netflix movie if I remember correctly). In my view the video represents the 'visions' etc. that draw people in. Note the structures and that 'it' is referred to as 'that thing' (from memory). There is more to it, related to Ascension and then being back (endless).
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Post by duckie on Aug 18, 2018 0:39:55 GMT
Noooooo !!! I begin to understand what this is saying and how mother feels. It begins with a story (which become beliefs) and then descends into mayhem. The baby (consciousness) is consumed by the 'story' and resulting mayhem. More and more 'stories' add fuel to the fire. This is perhaps why hidden hand said don't try to fix the whole thing (paraphrasing).... more story... more fuel... more 'garbage' As Philip Goddard says : There is an inherent problem with forums generally, in that these are places where people discuss ideas. Unfortunately doing that is one of the myriad side-tracks that point people away from self-actualization - for the 'forum-heads' forever consider and discuss other people's views and outlooks instead of turning to the one source of the vital information and insight that they actually need - their own deepest aspects. So, asking another person, for example, "What do you think of this fellow Philip Goddard?" may be a fascinating pastime, but that sort of behaviour is also a well-nigh complete block to any genuine self-actualization direction. I talk here NOT about right and wrong, nor "should" and "shouldn't", but simply of cause and effect. What do you want in your life - forever fascinating discussions relating to various notions of self-actualization, or genuine self-actualization itself? The two are virtually completely mutually exclusive. Of course there is the flip side of this, which is that our 'discussions' can bring us to necessary realisations. I have noted, however, that what people write or say lands up in the minds of others and comes out with distortions (I would venture to say 'garbage' sourced distortions). This is why everyone 'appears' to be (separately) coming to similar conclusions. A movie that is worth watching to get a sense of how 'the garbage' operates is "The Endless" (a Netflix movie if I remember correctly). In my view the video represents the 'visions' etc. that draw people in. Note the structures and that 'it' is referred to as 'that thing' (from memory). There is more to it, related to Ascension and then being back (endless).
I think it may be true what you're saying about forums and "like-mindedness" among folks coming to the same conclusions about things. And yes, I also agree that forums can also be a healthy place for generating ideas. I don't consider myself a forum addict because I have to be mindful of how much time I spend in front of a screen, especially since I already work pretty much all day on a computer. But there were times when I clock in four hours a day.
It's especially difficult to stay off forums like this one because there aren't (at least not to me) too many people to talk to about all this stuff. It's like what you said above, sometimes a story spins and you get caught up in it. It's just a story, but it may not be the truth. And it may not even be useful knowledge. I like having someone else around to discuss important things.
When I was 15/16, I had my first "best friend". We would lie on the grass looking up at the stars and talked about really important stuff, like who the heck is god and why are we here? Then we went off to college and other forms of brain washing took over. We stopped talking about the important stuff and concentrated on "life". Now I'm over 50 and thanks to this forum (and others), we're talking about god and all that again.
But perhaps why we sound so similar and gravitate towards similarly-minded people is that there is such a thing as mass consciousness. It is just all energy after all. Maybe we really do think the same.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 1:47:51 GMT
"There is an inherent problem with forums generally, in that these are places where people discuss ideas. Unfortunately doing that is one of the myriad side-tracks that point people away from self-actualization - for the 'forum-heads' forever consider and discuss other people's views and outlooks instead of turning to the one source of the vital information and insight that they actually need - their own deepest aspects."
So well said.
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Post by Hans Schokkenbroek on Aug 18, 2018 4:38:54 GMT
"There is an inherent problem with forums generally, in that these are places where people discuss ideas. Unfortunately doing that is one of the myriad side-tracks that point people away from self-actualization - for the 'forum-heads' forever consider and discuss other people's views and outlooks instead of turning to the one source of the vital information and insight that they actually need - their own deepest aspects." So well said. Indeed beautiful words. And yet.....for reaching true awareness, for defeating the monkey that sits in your head, for reaching the fullness of connecting to your Parents, for deprogramming, etc, you need information to discern...Once you reach that state where you merge your Divine Spark with the Higher Self all one needs to do is to let oneself be guided by the Father and the Mother. What also comes to mind, as I have personally found, is that a forum like this one is a place in this realm where you can reconnect with your Brothers and Sisters.
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Post by IW on Aug 18, 2018 5:48:34 GMT
I agree White Buffalo. Thanks for that.
The whole divide and conquer works exceptionally well, but here at least one can find some of the opposite of that and experience something that is more in line with our true nature- the unity that I think is a natural part of "the mother/father". We were meant to live without fear, to live in boldness. This world can make you feel quite small, insignificant with the constant degradation.
The work is in the balance. Inner balance-a quietness leading outward to full expression.
I do agree with barbara too, that this board can become like anything else- an addiction, a compulsion, an outer work that leads nowhere. Everyone has to know themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 16:42:59 GMT
Truth seeking/forums etc can be an ego driven experience for some. One could have the "look at me I'm smart, read it all and know near everything about this spiritual truth seeking stuff syndrome" LOL.
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Post by ML on Aug 20, 2018 0:34:57 GMT
"There is an inherent problem with forums generally, in that these are places where people discuss ideas. Unfortunately doing that is one of the myriad side-tracks that point people away from self-actualization - for the 'forum-heads' forever consider and discuss other people's views and outlooks instead of turning to the one source of the vital information and insight that they actually need - their own deepest aspects." So well said. Indeed beautiful words. And yet.....for reaching true awareness, for concurring the monkey that sits in your head, for reaching the fullness of connecting to your Parents, for deprogramming, etc, you need information to discern...Once you reach that state where you merge your Divine Spark with the Higher Self all one needs to do is to let oneself be guided by the Father and the Mother. What also comes to mind, as I have personally found, is that a forum like this one is a place in this realm where you can reconnect with your Brothers and Sisters. I agree completely. - I see that Ninurta and Myka profiles are deleted? There must be a HUGE ATTACK coming from the dark side against this forum and maybe others as well. Truelight has been talking about this in the old forum when there's some non-harmonious exchanges between members. She said that the Archons/AIF/Djins/Demons target members' vulnerability ( I hope everybody agrees that we have our vulnerabilities) to create disruptions and i reckon that this is exactly that. What i truly recommend from my heart is : Let us be loving Let us be empathic we are fragmented yes, and we must work hark to regenerate/heal/complete..... we do this by recognizing triggers within us...... when suddenly you feel sad/angry/discouraged/worried you must immediately look for the reason why : what happened? what words was said? what triggers you to be in that state of emotion? --- when we recognize what triggers us then we can start controlling/healing it. to all members Please stay
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Post by Henrik on Aug 20, 2018 8:38:59 GMT
Agreed, stay vigiliant people. Take heed and measure the energies pushing you
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Post by Barbara on Aug 21, 2018 23:11:48 GMT
I agree that it is nice to have people to talk to about the things that we can't necessarily discuss with those in our lives. As you say, Duckie, it can become a bit addictive and a time waster sometimes. Nothing is ever really a waste though. Everything we go through in life (e v e n t u a l l y) brings us to where we are supposed to be.
I hope that I was not the reason Ninurta4 left. My comments were not at all directed at anyone's posts. To be honest I haven't read most of the long posts, due to limited time, so have no idea about the detail.
The reason for my observation was much more personal. I had written something in a personal communication and shortly after that I saw the same thing come up in a (just released) You Tube video, but with a different spin. This type of thing has happened to me on a number of occasions, for instance I wrote a post related to an idiom on a piece of paper (and may have looked up the meaning on my computer) and before I could post it someone else wrote about the exact same phrase, but with a different spin. I have also noted that people quite often say someone has come to the same conclusions (or 'received' the same or similar information) separately.
When I say 'garbage' sourced, I mean 'garbage' as proposed by Philip Goddard. The different spin would (to my way of thinking) serve the continued existence / development of the 'garbage' so to speak.
I also happened to have caught the movie Mother! part way through and had some further insights about it, due to new realisations.
Neither of the movies are scary by the way, although I must say in recent years I watch movies as an observer and don't get that involved in the scare factor, etc.
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Post by Barbara on Aug 23, 2018 6:10:03 GMT
Quick reply from Girlscout : I saw a trailer and interview for Mother - and triggered, similar trigger to the General's Daughter, and The Invisible Man - felt dark so I stayed away.
For me there is no such thing as 'dark'. Of course the movie does imply that there is a 'mother', which could be leading for some people. For me it is a symbolic representation. Unfortunately, as humans we are limited to words, symbolism, concepts to put points across, which is where a lot of the confusion comes in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 23:17:23 GMT
A movie that is worth watching to get a sense of how 'the garbage' operates is "The Endless" (a Netflix movie if I remember correctly). In my view the video represents the 'visions' etc. that draw people in. Note the structures and that 'it' is referred to as 'that thing' (from memory). There is more to it, related to Ascension and then being back (endless). Following on from this 'the garbage' (as proposed by Philip Goddard) would appear to be Yaldoboath (the mindless creation mentioned in the Divine Secret Garden, originally the Nag Hammadi texts I believe). (to my of thinking all of Sophia's 'creations' would be individuated aspects of Sophia, so Sophia would ultimately be responsible, assuming that creation works as described by Hidden Hand / Ra) From The True Nature of 'The Forces of Darkness' and its Interference and Attacks ...And now for what DOES make sense - echoes of The Sorcerer's Apprentice! Philip GoddardThis could hypothetically be seen as a deviant progression (probably as a result of a prior deviant progression), hence, our kind would be those carrying the 'archontic infection / mind parasites' / 'programming' who were given technology (and have apparently been 'quarantined'), perhaps as a means to bring this progression under control. Due to many cycles on this 'planet' / 'universe' / 'spacecraft' ? (and perhaps some further 'errors', as alluded to above) it would seem that 'the garbage' now includes images, video, audio, actual rogue programming etc. This would appear to be a realisation that has been reached prior to this (perhaps in a previous cycle), hence the belief of some (I think Native American) tribe/s that photography can 'steal the soul'.
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Post by IW on Sept 9, 2018 13:25:57 GMT
How many words does it take to describe a picture?
Would you even be able to describe this to someone clearly enough that they could "see" this through your words?
This is where we are at, and have been at for some while now.
What was once natural to us has become "super" natural or magic. Once there was no need for symbols or words/written language. Everything was clear, our thoughts our being was visible and communication was like a picture, and easily understood. We created joyfully, without fear. There was no lack, only abundance (no need for power).
This is about the only thing I haven't agreed with Mr. Goddard on. He talks of the "ordinary ego-minds of humans or humanoids". This only came about after the fall, this is NOT what created the problems or fall.
What has the written word done? Spells. (verse/verses as in you vs me and a game to be played) It has given humanity something to follow into obscurity, into laws, into power that is not balanced (once compassion and wholeness). It is a step by step piecemeal, basically us giving our power away because we don't understand who or what we are. We became limited beings, contained in a decaying box.
The astral and illusory realities really is a mess, it's where our mind power has gone awry, because we do not live as we once were, but in fragmentation, in misunderstanding, in pain like a wounded animal.
Is this where the garbage is? Yes, our garbage! What IS OUR supernatural being, that we don't understand, has been used against us to keep us in confusion. People creating illusory realities, because it is like a phantom hand that has been cut off. We still feel it there, but we can't use it correctly, it isn't attached like it once was. Maybe for some, it is why there is such a desire for the singularity, in getting that "hand" back, even though it isn't our own hand (and doesn't serve us).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 3:39:15 GMT
Fractured / Lost / and as you say Fragmented (the picture). You express yourself really well. It certainly is difficult to express things in words. I tend to be pragmatic, so for me 'the fall' would be 'going back' (or entering a simulation) to rectify or perhaps assist in rectifying something, perhaps figure out what went wrong, perhaps to refine / reprogram /deprogram maybe in the future (relative to where we are in the simulation). Perhaps ‘5D’ . To be honest for all I know I could be one of the original architects of the ‘game’, or a walk-in (not from here), or a hybrid with very specific programming. I really can’t remember. My feel is that this is top to bottom a game (or simulation). Hidden Hand states as much - "All of this (physical life / incarnation), is a very intricate and skilfully designed Game, whereby the One Infinite Creator, plays the game of forgetting who It is, so that It can learn to remember, and in doing so, experience and know Itself as Creator". Per Hidden Hand they ‘fell from 6th density’, and ‘apparently’ have a different ‘creator’. 'We' 'apparently' 'fell' from 5th density. We find ourselves in linear time. Per Hidden Hand - "linear time is more accurately described as an intentional fabrication. The true nature of time, is cyclical. Though, remember also, that even cyclical time, is part of Creation, and Creation, beautiful as it may be, is also an Illusion, or more accurately, a Thought-Form of our Infinite Creator. Creation is not Real, but the Creator and Co-Creators of it, are." Keeping in mind that we are in a ‘game’ all of this could be, top to bottom, script or perhaps truth mixed with conjecture. I saw a scientist talking about time on CNN the other day. He said that the reason we experience time is because of our memories and our ability to think / conjecture about the future (something to that effect). Take out the computer brain / mind (data processor?)/ ‘iris’ eyes / programming and perhaps we would know who we are. Interestingly in Linda Goodman’s Star Signs, published in 1987, she refers to our brain as a ‘computer brain’, our body as an ‘avatar’ and our higher self as ‘the puppet master’. At the time I thought she was speaking metaphorically and maybe she did too... or not. A Course in Miracles says “Into eternity, where all is one, there crept a tiny, mad idea, at which the Son of God (terminology) remembered not to laugh. In his forgetting did the thought become a serious idea, possible of both accomplishment and real effects.” I didn’t really want to conjecture about the meandering process that has got us here, so I just said a ‘prior deviant progression’. I think that the whole genetic engineering, cloning (raising the dead / Lazarus) thing has been covered quite exhaustively by others. I mentioned Sophia because there has been a lot of talk about her role. I don’t really like to speak in terms of Divine Mother, Father/Mother, Sophia, Christos and what have you because it is, in my view. very complicating. The point is that we are here now. As things stand we ‘carry’ all of this history. What is real about us (consciousness) cannot be threatened. “Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists.” A Course in Miracles
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Post by IW on Sept 11, 2018 4:33:13 GMT
Terminology can be really tricky. Why? Because they can be triggering. This is like the program and mind control whopping us over the head and we go back into whatever meaning WE hold for this terminology, not fully looking at what the intent might be in actuality for the message. We might not be able to see the truth at all if one is tripped up by the words used.
Words can never fully BE what is. That is why Mr. Goddard's site is so purposeful in self-actualization. It's the action in fulfilling the purpose of clarity. For all his wordiness, it ALL goes to the purpose of clarity. This self examination, declaration of intent, Focus of mind and will towards the goal of freedom basically-- being released from confusion. ALL truth seekers need this work done. It's not about discussion and throwing ideas around. But about the work that goes with self understanding (which can come from a place like this).
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